[EUPL]

I am actually glad that we took several steps to make this one of the most strict gun control states. When you have events like Oregon, Virginia, Newtown, etc... it really boggles my mind how any person can get their hands on a weapon in this country. In Europe I asked how hard is it own a gun, one of my family members said "forget it". You have a deep background check, psychological testing, neighbor interviews, and so on. Here it's like shopping for a birthday cake-pathetic.

[papafox]

Yep, because we know that criminals ALWAYS follow the laws

Do you REALLY want to live in a society where only the police and politicians have easy access to weapons to protect themselves??

I DON'T, and having more laws on the books would NOT have stopped this shooting or any other of the mass killings like Newtown,Charleston, or Aurora, etc.

We don't blame cars for drunk drivers, so when the hell do some of us want to blame guns for violent criminals??

[FutureTown]

It's not just the gun laws but the culture that fuels it. People care more about the 2nd amendment more than any other amendment. It's really sad. They think they're Constitutionalist, but, far from it.

Given the current state of the nation, not sure what we can do except make it really hard to own guns. I still think the 2nd amendment needs to be rescinded or amended to better reflect current times. We have the strongest military, we don't need a regulated militia. We don't live in fear of the Spanish Armada or the British Empire anymore. And even if we do against government takeover, we won't last. Not a single firearm that can be legally purchased shoot down UAVs or penetrate a Bradley tank if the Military decides to overrun for some bizarre reason.

Gun control laws are futile unless it's uniformed across the country. Otherwise, people will just simply buy a gun from a less regulated state and bring it to a more regulated one to do their deeds.

[papafox]

Originally Posted by FutureTown

It's not just the gun laws but the culture that fuels it. People care more about the 2nd amendment more than any other amendment. It's really sad. They think they're Constitutionalist, but, far from it.

Given the current state of the nation, not sure what we can do except make it really hard to own guns. I still think the 2nd amendment needs to be rescinded or amended to better reflect current times. We have the strongest military, we don't need a regulated militia. We don't live in fear of the Spanish Armada or the British Empire anymore. And even if we do against government takeover, we won't last. Not a single firearm that can be legally purchased shoot down UAVs or penetrate a Bradley tank if the Military decides to overrun for some bizarre reason.

Gun control laws are futile unless it's uniformed across the country. Otherwise, people will just simply buy a gun from a less regulated state and bring it to a more regulated one to do their deeds.

What if you, or someone close to you that you love had an estranged boyfriend or husband that was stalking them and threatened to do them harm? Wouldn't you want them to be able to defend themselves without the govenment??

Should they just call the police, and let them deal with it? Or do you think they, as a law abiding citizen should have the option to purchase a handgun for self protection??

Remember, that when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

Sorry, but the government can not be everyones mommy and daddy and help THEM in a sudden time of need.

The 2nd amendment was written for A LOT more than just defending against a tyranical government.

[NewJeffCT]

Originally Posted by FutureTown

It's not just the gun laws but the culture that fuels it. People care more about the 2nd amendment more than any other amendment. It's really sad. They think they're Constitutionalist, but, far from it.

Given the current state of the nation, not sure what we can do except make it really hard to own guns. I still think the 2nd amendment needs to be rescinded or amended to better reflect current times. We have the strongest military, we don't need a regulated militia. We don't live in fear of the Spanish Armada or the British Empire anymore. And even if we do against government takeover, we won't last. Not a single firearm that can be legally purchased shoot down UAVs or penetrate a Bradley tank if the Military decides to overrun for some bizarre reason.

Gun control laws are futile unless it's uniformed across the country. Otherwise, people will just simply buy a gun from a less regulated state and bring it to a more regulated one to do their deeds.

there were a ton of people concerned that Obama was invading Texas through tunnels under Wal-Marts and taking over there as part of Operation Jade Helm. It was big enough & serious enough that the TX governor even said he was going to have the TX national guard keep an eye on the military. Maybe people here in CT were shaking their head at this, but many people in the South and Southwest took it seriously.

[NewJeffCT]

Originally Posted by papafox

What if you, or someone close to you that you love had an estranged boyfriend or husband that was stalking them and threatened to do them harm? Wouldn't you want them to be able to defend themselves without the govenment??

Should they just call the police, and let them deal with it? Or do you think they, as a law abiding citizen should have the option to purchase a handgun for self protection??

Remember, that when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

Sorry, but the government can not be everyones mommy and daddy and help THEM in a sudden time of need.

The 2nd amendment was written for A LOT more than just defending against a tyranical government.

A handgun is far far more likely to be used against a household member than to be used in self-defense against an intruder. Guns also make it far easier to commit suicide - homes with guns have a far higher suicide rate than homes without guns in them.

And, yes, the police should be far better equipped to deal with estranged boyfriends or husbands than an ex-girlfriend or ex-wife that has been physically and/or mentally abused.

[papafox]

EUPL and Futuretown,

Do both of your realize that in the shooting yesterday, that there was a man who was (legally) armed, who tried to stop the shooter, but instead, staff members tried to stop HIM.........

Imagine for a second, if he had fought back against the killer, and saved just ONE of the 11 lives that were lost???

Furthermore, have you noticed that the majority of the mass shootings take place in "GF zones"?? I firmly believe that is no coincidence, as the perpetrators know that they will have no resistance from law abiding citizens who are packing heat.

[EUPL]

I believe that by far this country needs a massive overhaul when it comes to weapon possession. This second amendment wild wild west argument is just getting old.

[papafox]

Originally Posted by NewJeffCT

A handgun is far far more likely to be used against a household member than to be used in self-defense against an intruder. Guns also make it far easier to commit suicide - homes with guns have a far higher suicide rate than homes without guns in them.

And, yes, the police should be far better equipped to deal with estranged boyfriends or husbands than an ex-girlfriend or ex-wife that has been physically and/or mentally abused.

That is where PROPER TRAINING comes into play. It would be beyond foolharty to just buy a 44 or whatever, and not even get any training in how to use it safely.

And yea, of course the cops should be better trained to deal with domestic situations........but NOT at the expense of infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens to responsible own firearms

Originally Posted by EUPL

I believe that by far this country needs a massive overhaul when it comes to weapon possession. This second amendment wild wild west argument is just getting old.

How are those VERY strict gun laws working out in Chicago?

Yep........more laws that what we already have on the books are sure to cut down on the firearm related gang violence in the south side.

[Raider111]

Originally Posted by EUPL

I believe that by far this country needs a massive overhaul when it comes to weapon possession. This second amendment wild wild west argument is just getting old.

not as cut and dry here as it is in Europe. Too much history with guns.
Mentally disturbed and 17 year olds in Bridgeport can't be the only ones carrying guns.
And stop with the Gov takevoer stuff already, nobody realistically believes that. Besides, the Military is pro-gun anyway, would be sort of contradictory.