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Old 05-09-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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STOP THE PRESSES...this is really getting important.

Angela Jolie is now speaking out.

Oh the humanity...
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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While the abduction of the girls in Nigeria is horrible, human slavery is more common than most people realize and it is happening in the US every day.

Compassion: Human Trafficking Facts & Stats | Force 4 Compassion

The US needs to concern itself with our slavery and Nigeria, an oil rich country, needs to clean up it's corruption and rid the country of terrorists.
Yes, very big in southeast asia, India and from what I understand the former eastern bloc nations in Europe.
I am a member of Amnesty Int'L and they pretty much keep you informed on this.

Just had an email from Amnesty saying the Nigerian military was aware and did nothing to stop it.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:45 AM
 
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yeah? those people are hopping on planes to Nigeria to help find those girls?

or are those people supporting spending other people's money to help those girls?
I'll be honest; it is the latter. And I fully acknowlege that there *are* limits to US power, especially in this bad economy, and putting our boys (and increasingly our girls) in uniform into harm's way is something that should never be undertaken lightly.

However, if (and yes, this may be a big if) this rescue of the enslaved girls (and the killing of the savages who did it) is something that a company of marines in helicopters from a carrier offshore could quickly fly in, achieve, and fly out, is that not "a global force for good", as the navy recruitment ads say?

I am reminded of Kipling's old poem. The term "White Man's Burden" is taboo today, but given the numbers of Asian and Latin American nations that are also modern and civilized and treat women decently, perhaps we should rename it "The Modern Burden"???

And don't you know that many of the same people who want us to "do something" here, will in another breath condemn us for "imperialism"???? Ugh.

Rewriting Kipling's poem for the 21st century:

Take up the Modern burden, Send forth the best ye breed
Go bind your kids to exile, to serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, Muslim peoples, Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the Modern burden, In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror, And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple, A hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit, And work another's gain.

Take up the Modern burden, The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest, The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and Muslim Folly, Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the Modern burden, No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper, The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread,
Go make them with your living, And mark them with your dead.

Take up the Modern burden, And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour, (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage, Our loved Islamic night?"

Take up the Modern burden, Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom, To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples, Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the Modern burden, Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood, through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers!

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Old 05-09-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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"Where are the moderate Muslims?" What are they doing to educate about and repudiate this bastardization of Islam?

Well, it isn't the bastardization of Islam as Islam permits Slavery as spelled out in the Quran. But then again Muhammad was 'kind and just' to his slaves just as the guy leading this group is. I think we should sit down at the peace table with the man behind this group to understand his grievances. He was probably a victim of the West and just needs to be understood.

Islamic views on slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Always remember to add a "/sarc", because with some, your excellent sarcasm will get lost in translation.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Why do you think there is no outcry? There definitely IS plenty going on to address the grotesque problem of human trafficking and the sex trade in children and women. Many groups have dedicated themselves to aid for the cause of safety for women in third world nations. In fact, our government CANNOT send troops or other policing unless the host country asks for help and Nigeria has not. That's why the United Nations and cooperative international groups are the key to a solution for this case.

There ARE people trying to help. How many of these groups have you volunteered for or donated to?

Human Rights Watch
Human Rights Watch | Defending Human Rights Worldwide
HRW has a four-star rating from Charity Navigator and is recommended by the Better Business Bureau as a safe place for donations to the cause of democratic rights for all.

Coalition Against Trafficking in Women
Home
CATW is the world’s first organization to fight human trafficking internationally and is the world’s leading abolitionist organization. In operation since 1988, CATW holds Special Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC).

International Justice Mission
Our Solution | International Justice Mission
In nearly 20 communities throughout the world IJM protects the poor from violence by partnering with local authorities to rescue victims, restore survivors, bring criminals to justice, strengthen justice systems.

American Anti-Slavery Group, also known as iAbolish
iAbolish.org | American Anti-Slavery Group
With close ties to Sudanese aid groups, this Massachusetts-based organization is a non-profit coalition of abolitionist organizations that engages in political activism to abolish slavery in the world. It raises awareness, funds to support relief, and lobbies governments their efforts to abolish slavery.

U.N. Women
#BringBackOurGirls: A joint op-ed on the abduction of more than 200 school girls in Nigeria | UN Women - Headquarters
#BringBackOurGirls is the U.N. Women's response to the specific problem of the abductions in Nigeria.

World Health Organization
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/1...2_eng.pdf?ua=1 (PDF)
The WHO studies human trafficking and sexual slavery as part of its work on improving health and safety of people worldwide. The link above contains their report on human trafficking.

The following report is also pertinent to the topic (PDF):
http://www.unicef.org/emerg/files/wo...cure_world.pdf
All those groups are all fine and noble and good. However, they will not stop this. In fact, they will achieve next to nothing.

What will be necessary to stop it? Possibly minor, but probably massive, military intervention.

But it is worth the spilling of our blood and treasure to do it? Will you support it, or at least support someone else doing it?

I won't answer that question for you. But do give it some thought.

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Old 05-09-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: NJ
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However, if this rescue of the enslaved girls (and killing of the savages who did it) the is something that a company of marines in helicopters could quickly fly in, achieve and fly out, is that not "a global force for good", as the navy recruitment ads say?
we have ads that say our navy is a "global force for good"????? man, how stupid is our government. our navy is our navy and its supposed to defend America. in fact, that's our government's obligation and our government doesn't have the constitutional right to waste our money helping other countries. all this foreign aid stuff is outside of the government's legal authority but nobody seems to care. they take our money and then its the government's to spend any way they want, even if its not for anything benefiting America. so insane.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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All those groups are all fine and noble and good. However, they will not stop this.

What will be necessary to stop it? Possibly minor, but probably massive, military intervention.

But it is worth the spilling of our blood and treasure to do it? Will you support it, or at least support someone else doing it?

I won't answer that question for you. But do give it some thought.
Unfortunately those words ring true
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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we have ads that say our navy is a "global force for good"????? man, how stupid is our government. our navy is our navy and its supposed to defend America. in fact, that's our government's obligation and our government doesn't have the constitutional right to waste our money helping other countries. all this foreign aid stuff is outside of the government's legal authority but nobody seems to care. they take our money and then its the government's to spend any way they want, even if its not for anything benefiting America. so insane.
If helping other friendly countries keeps other enemy countries at bay, is that not a defense of America?

As I stated before, I am not sure if spilling blood and treasure to help these poor girls, while noble, is worth it, or will even succeed.

However, isolationism was folly before 1941, was downright suicidal when the Soviet Empire was menacing, and the world hasn't gotten any bigger since.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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If helping other friendly countries keeps other enemy countries at bay, is that not a defense of America?

As I stated before, I am not sure if spilling blood and treasure to help these poor girls, while noble, is worth it, or will even succeed.

However, isolationism was folly before 1941, was downright suicidal when the Soviet Empire was menacing, and the world hasn't gotten any bigger since.
helping friendly countries? most of our aid doesn't go to friendly countries. but I do understand that "aid" can be used to help control situations that otherwise could hurt America. so im not 100% against helping out any foreign country. but there needs to be a real defined benefit to America and the scope of the aid should be as limited as possible.

no need to bring up isolationism, that's just a straw man's argument. nobody is proposing "isolationism" but that's what people like to say when they are trying to make someone else look like some kind of extremist.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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helping friendly countries? most of our aid doesn't go to friendly countries. but I do understand that "aid" can be used to help control situations that otherwise could hurt America. so im not 100% against helping out any foreign country. but there needs to be a real defined benefit to America and the scope of the aid should be as limited as possible.

no need to bring up isolationism, that's just a straw man's argument. nobody is proposing "isolationism" but that's what people like to say when they are trying to make someone else look like some kind of extremist.
Sadly that is also often true. Aid to Pakistan, for example, is a bribe at best, or perhaps a ransom. Give them aid or else the jihad faction takes power over there and gets their nukes.
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