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In that case, how about he starts by asking and/or pressuring U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia to stop executing gay people?
United States has nil to naught ways to *pressure* Saudi Arabia to cease doing anything they do not like. Long as that country is wealthy and a major producer of world oil supplies we can "mess with their heads", but that is a dangerous road to go down. In fact the first word that comes to mind is Israel for it is the Saudis that manage to keep the more radical Muslim/Islamic countries from attempting to wipe that place off the map.
What the United States always gets wrong in these situations is that unlike this vast and unique country many other places in the world are almost mono cultures. This includes their faith making up a large part of who these persons are. Far as many Islam and Muslim nations are concerned the Koran dictates more than just religion but how one is to life one's life, a country should be governed, etc.. They just see homosexuality at least as some sort of alternative lifestyle or choice as perverted and wrong.
1. United States has nil to naught ways to *pressure* Saudi Arabia to cease doing anything they do not like.
2. Long as that country is wealthy and a major producer of world oil supplies we can "mess with their heads", but that is a dangerous road to go down. In fact the first word that comes to mind is Israel for it is the Saudis that manage to keep the more radical Muslim/Islamic countries from attempting to wipe that place off the map.
3. What the United States always gets wrong in these situations is that unlike this vast and unique country many other places in the world are almost mono cultures. This includes their faith making up a large part of who these persons are. Far as many Islam and Muslim nations are concerned the Koran dictates more than just religion but how one is to life one's life, a country should be governed, etc.. They just see homosexuality at least as some sort of alternative lifestyle or choice as perverted and wrong.
1. OK--then replace the word "pressure" with ask.
2. Which countries exactly are the Saudis preventing from attempting to wipe Israel off the map (and please don't bring up Iran, since Iran is uninterested in actually doing this)? Also, I would like to point out that the Saudis don't appear to have a particularly nice history in regards to Islamic extremism, with them supporting and/or sponsoring Wahhabi mosques, the Taliban, and ISIS at various points in time.
3. If they want to be homophobic idiots, then unfortunately, there's not much we can do. However, executing gay people is certainly extreme--can't they make this punishment a bit less severe?
2. Which countries exactly are the Saudis preventing from attempting to wipe Israel off the map (and please don't bring up Iran, since Iran is uninterested in actually doing this)? Also, I would like to point out that the Saudis don't appear to have a particularly nice history in regards to Islamic extremism, with them supporting and/or sponsoring Wahhabi mosques, the Taliban, and ISIS at various points in time.
3. If they want to be homophobic idiots, then unfortunately, there's not much we can do. However, executing gay people is certainly extreme--can't they make this punishment a bit less severe?
1. Asking ain't getting.
2. Could have sworn SA has contained Egypt and or perhaps another Muslim country from making threats and or becoming too hostile against Israel. Will have to research.
2. Which countries exactly are the Saudis preventing from attempting to wipe Israel off the map (and please don't bring up Iran, since Iran is uninterested in actually doing this)? Also, I would like to point out that the Saudis don't appear to have a particularly nice history in regards to Islamic extremism, with them supporting and/or sponsoring Wahhabi mosques, the Taliban, and ISIS at various points in time.
3. If they want to be homophobic idiots, then unfortunately, there's not much we can do. However, executing gay people is certainly extreme--can't they make this punishment a bit less severe?
That's the tough part. People in Mideast countries are jailed and then executed for leaving Islam. How do we ask that the punishment is less severe? What about the countries where families kidnap their daughters and kill them for marrying outside their religion and social class? How do we even ask them to stop?
Herein lies the problem of convincing other countries what is and isn't acceptable punishment-- and if they should even consider a punishment in the first place.
There are cultures that are absolutely sure in the validity of their belief that Albino children are devil-spawned and should be killed before they put a curse on the village. It is their culture. They truly believe it's not only OK but best for the whole community to murder the children. So it's OK to make no comment "BECAUSE IT IS THEIR CULTURE".
Come on, man! No way. We don't have some Star Trek Federation Non-Interference rule that prevents us from commenting on, even in rare case butting into the affairs of foreign nations or cultures that are doing heinus things in the name of culture or religion - things that violate the natural rights of man or are obviously criminal or crazy to the other 99.9% of the earth's cultures. Most of these things aren't really well-established by the religion or culture anyway - they are just ways for one group within the culture to subjigate the others for their enrichment in money or power in the society.
In fact the first word that comes to mind is Israel for it is the Saudis that manage to keep the more radical Muslim/Islamic countries from attempting to wipe that place off the map.
The Saudis consider Iran a much greater threat than Israel. Israel will never attack Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis know it. They say "Israel, Israel, Israel" but the bulk of their defenses are on the Gulf side.
It's a poorly-kept secret that the Mosaad and Saudi Intelligence routinely share information about Iran (and probably other jointly relevant matters) although neither would ever officially admit it.
Wow, comparing the promotion of aberrant sexual behavior with a product that another county produces and promotes is beyond the pale.
So in other words, you presume to insist on placing above the human rights of others the tenets of your preferred culture of homophobia, which rationalizes vacuous claims that their behavior is aberrant, rather than the reality, that it is simply less common. I don't think you could have more succinctly demonstrated the problem that Biden was advocating that our nation speak out against.
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Are diplomats forced to drink the champagne? Are they inhumane if they don't? Poor example.
Are diplomats forced to engage in homosexuality? Poor attempt at posting a reply.
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