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Old 12-02-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Originally Posted by marilyn220 View Post
Yeah, murder the man's son, get his murderer off and now continue to the decimation of his family.

Of course, this won't create MORE chaos in the city.

Missouri, where the world's smartest people reside.

Only someone born before 1975 would think this is a great idea.

Hey, just wondering when they will burn this biotch down after the killing of the immigrant in St. Louis....you know, the one where the four black youths beat him to death with hammers.....what? No?

Crickets.....

 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Rural Michigan
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Originally Posted by Jim_a49 View Post
I believe the rules for how it applies are already written down, and apparently others in the legal community agree.
Lawyers are paid to argue silly points of law to an insane level of minutiae.

That said, it doesn't make a ridiculous argument sane.

The words used were obviously "inflammatory", but they didn't "cause" anything to happen.

The governor himself had declared a "state of emergency" days before this, in anticipation (expectation) of.. rioting..

What he did was more akin to a pot calling a kettle "black"..

Walking up to an existing bonfire and proclaiming "Let there be FIRE!!!" doesn't make you Zeus.

To get a conviction, you'll need to show that someone who heard those words decided right then and there to go light something on fire.

Because of Mr Brown's awesome & magically convincing speech - and for no other reason.

not gonna happen.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Really?

Please enlighten me then?

Any charge of inciting a riot must logically be followed by rioting.

By people who heard those inciteful words..

And wouldn't have rioted without that encouragement on their own.

Thats a pretty tall order..

Perhaps we need a grand jury to decide the issue.

Maybe let Mr Brown testify to said jury..
Everybody's Clarence Darrow.

Incite a Riot Law & Legal Definition

Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons assembled in a group of at least three people. Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. According to 18 USCS § 2102 "to incite a riot", or "to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot", includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.”

He should be arrested and sued.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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He'll never be formally charged. Nobody wants to lose another city to this violent mob.

It's extortion at it's best, and they are succeeding unimpeded. "Do as we (the mob) demands or we'll burn you out and lynch those we deem guilty of something". It's the new Klan.

Just the Governor posturing and pretending to be tough on violators at civil/civic events. Charging the step-dad, even if he deserves it....as if......all posturing...that's all this is.....he's trying to show the white voters he pissed off during this event that he was as shocked as they were that blacks in a poor part of town would actually riot based on a decision that didn't go their way....who knew?
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Except his words didn't actually "incite" a riot.. there was rioting before he spoke, and there's no reason to believe that anyone who was actually there when he spoke participated in any rioting.

But yeah, who needs that pesky constitution anyway..
Wrong. The Supreme Court has cited three “reasons why threats of violence are outside the First Amendment”: “protecting individuals from the fear of violence, from the disruption that fear engenders, and from the possibility that the threatened violence will occur.

In light of previous events, and the ensuing events -- the stepfather's calls "to burn the town down" constitute a true threat.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Long Neck,De
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In my area, a person who gets a DUI has to go to a victim impact panel. Here, they must listen to the stories of people whose lives have been ruined by other DUI drivers.

IMHO, Mr. Browns stepdad should have to listen to the stories of his neighbors whose lives were negatively affected when this protest turned into a riot at his own urging.

He's probably also ruined any chance the family had at a civil suit. No jury is going to want him to profit from this.
They are destroying the property of innocent people. Sounds to me if these people were on a jury they would give him a huge settlement.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: East Mt Airy, Philadelphia
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Default Cut the guy some slack

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Originally Posted by Jim_a49 View Post
When I saw this on TV I was floored, why aren't they arresting this guy.

Michael Brown’s step father Louis Head could be in serious trouble today after the Missouri Lt. Governor said he should be arrested and charged with inciting a riot.
Lt. Governor Peter Kinder said this after a video of Head screaming “burn this b*tch down” to an angry Ferguson crowd went viral this week.
The clip was played during Kinder’s recent appearance on The Laura Ingraham Show, and the host asked what his reaction was.
“That he should be arrested and charged with inciting to riot,” Kinder responded.
Head’s arrest would come as a major blow to Brown’s family, as he serves as a patriarchal figure to them all.
Normally, I'd be all over anyone saying anything like this to an already agitated crowd. But ... he's a parent who lost a child and was learning of what he perceived to be a lack of justice and fairness surrounding the child's death. Certainly it doesn't set a good example as the family patriarch, but I think he deserves a pass on this one. People say dumb and ill-advised things in the best of times, and this was certainly not one of those times. The worst thing he's guilty of is mishandling the spotlight that was shone upon him. Arresting him on an inciting charge would be mistaking grief, however badly expressed, for criminal intent.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Rural Michigan
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Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons assembled in a group of at least three people. Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. According to 18 USCS § 2102 "to incite a riot", or "to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot", includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit,
why don't you "google fu" the last half-dozen or so convictions for "inciting a riot" -


I can wait.. .....

kinda slim pickings, huh?

We have lots of useless laws that are never enforced in this country - "inciting a riot" is one of them - It's a great idea, but there's really no way to prove the "inciteful words" actually did anything.

Especially in this case.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Normally, I'd be all over anyone saying anything like this to an already agitated crowd. But ... he's a parent who lost a child and was learning of what he perceived to be a lack of justice and fairness surrounding the child's death. Certainly it doesn't set a good example as the family patriarch, but I think he deserves a pass on this one. People say dumb and ill-advised things in the best of times, and this was certainly not one of those times. The worst thing he's guilty of is mishandling the spotlight that was shone upon him. Arresting him on an inciting charge would be mistaking grief, however badly expressed, for criminal intent.
Grief does not allow you to publicly call for violence towards innocent, unrelated parties, or any other parties for that matter.

The TRUE threat of violence is not protected as Free Speech. Previous burning, and ensuing burning make this call a true threat.
 
Old 12-02-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Zippyman View Post
why don't you "google fu" the last half-dozen or so convictions for "inciting a riot" -


I can wait.. .....

kinda slim pickings, huh?

We have lots of useless laws that are never enforced in this country - "inciting a riot" is one of them - It's a great idea, but there's really no way to prove the "inciteful words" actually did anything.

Especially in this case.
As soon as they charge someone for arson......they will ask them why.

If they are smart........they will plea bargain.....and say the step-father wanted it.

Of course....no one rioting looked very smart.
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