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Old 12-27-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: California
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Why in the heck is this something you are concerned about OP? You have no insight into this private family matter or the laws surrounding them.
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Old 12-27-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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We all should be concerned about this buddy!!

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A little more investigation and it appears that this John Allman may have Paranoid Schizophrenia. He says he is campaigning against human rights abuse from some unnamed agency persecuting him with 'thought control', harassing him with 'directed energy weapons' and causing him to hear voices.
Well that may be... Its called ELECTRONIC HARRASSMENT!! (It can be quite scary)

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The father lied about there being no court order....
Well technically he did not,THERE IS NO COURT ORDER SAYING HE CANT WATCH EVENTS @ THE SCHOOL remember!! (He was not planning direct contact)

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Old 12-27-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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www.youtube.com/v/q4T-lT08C2o


A DISGRACE........ A FATHER WANTING TO SEE HIS SON...... WHAT DO THEY THINK IT IS,CHRISTMAS??


VERY SAD.......... If possible the father should take his son OUT OF THAT SCHOOL!!!!!!

Do you have the divorce decree in your hands with the specific orders deemed appropriate by a Judge in this case?
Did you live with this family so you know all the exact details of their home life, the environment, the reason they got divorced, the reason the Mother requested limited contact with the child?
If not then you are basing your judgement on a video posted to youtube purely for attention and to gain sympathy (which has been accomplished with you).
Until you know all of the exact details there is nothing wrong with the actions of the school administration.
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:06 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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We all should be concerned about this buddy!!

Well that may be... Its called ELECTRONIC HARRASSMENT!! (It can be quite scary)

Um, what?
I'm a divorced father that went through a nasty custody battle so I know how the system can be stacked against the father if you're not careful. But that doesn't mean this dude is in the right ... especially when there's a court decree severely restricting him from access to his son.
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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Yes but it is NOT RESTRICTING HIM FROM PUBLIC EVENTS AT SCHOOL!!!!! (As long as he doesnt make contact with his son)

Thats where we are getting confused here guys!!
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:51 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes but it is NOT RESTRICTING HIM FROM PUBLIC EVENTS AT SCHOOL!!!!! (As long as he doesnt make contact with his son)

Thats where we are getting confused here guys!!

He should take it to court and not have the cops called on him and refusing to leave.
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Old 12-28-2014, 05:53 AM
 
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When the female police officer was reading from the court order, she said the father was allowed 'indirect' contact by providing letters/photos 3 times a year, and the mother was directed to allow the child to see them.

With ONLY 'indirect' contact in place in the Court Orders, that means NO direct contact with the child, including turning up at the school when the child is there. Not even supervised contact. That's only put in place when there is evidence that the parent is a risk to the child eg mental health issues, abuse, sexual abuse or grooming etc. The letters/photos would normally need to be vetted first by a 3rd party eg independent children's lawyer (ICL), psychologist or social worker before the child sees them.

The orders would not have been put in place just from unsubstantiated allegations by the other parent. Contrary to what some men's groups will tell you, the Family Courts in Britain also take 'parental alienation' into account, where one parent tries to turn the child against the other parent or withholds contact. The courts have no desire to stop children having a meaningful relationship with both their parents unless there is a significant risk of harm to the child.

The father lied about there being no court order, asked the female police officer not to read out a paragraph (something he didn't want recorded on his video?), there was a pause in the recording where we missed something else being said, then he rushed the guy wearing the yellow jacket trying to get into the school hall and claimed that the guy had attacked him. As the male police officer tried to point out, the father had no regard at all for the impact on his son or the other children if he had barged into the hall and a caused a scene.

The school and the police officers were doing the right thing by asking him to leave. I thought they handled the situation quite well.
The 61 year old guy (with a 4 year old son?) also sounds rather 'disturbed' on his blog.
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A little more investigation and it appears that this John Allman may have Paranoid Schizophrenia. He says he is campaigning against human rights abuse from some unnamed agency persecuting him with 'thought control', harassing him with 'directed energy weapons' and causing him to hear voices.

^ TRUTH.

He is not allowed contact and it sounds like for a good reason.
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Old 12-28-2014, 05:59 AM
 
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Yes but it is NOT RESTRICTING HIM FROM PUBLIC EVENTS AT SCHOOL!!!!! (As long as he doesnt make contact with his son)

Thats where we are getting confused here guys!!

It's not restricting him from staring at his kid in the grocery store via binoculars either but I think most would agree it's not in the kids best interest.

It might be a public school but it's still private property.

(Sorry, I don't think the OP is comprehending the totality of the situation and is working off paranoid assumptions.)
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Old 12-28-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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If the court order stipulates no direct contact, that's what it means. Apparently, he gets photos three times a year and that's that.

An acquaintance was briefly married to a a man with significant mental health problems. As he drifted off into paranoid and psychotic states, he was totally unable to parent but only concerned about his "rights." Finally, a judge said enough and restricted his contact.

Had this father been allowed to attend the school play, he would have undoubtedly disrupted it.

The school and police were correct to remove him. He was there illegally.
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Old 12-28-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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Yes but it is NOT RESTRICTING HIM FROM PUBLIC EVENTS AT SCHOOL!!!!! (As long as he doesnt make contact with his son)

Thats where we are getting confused here guys!!
Why are you continuing to scream at everyone here? (all caps = screaming).

Do you honestly think this guy would go to the school, watch the play and leave without trying to have direct contact with this child?
If you believe that you are the only one who is confused about his intent when going to the school.

Why are you fighting so hard to defend this man's actions? Are you him? Is this your child and your situation?
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