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YAWN, wait until the defense-team starts picking stuff apart, (trust me, that WILL happen).........there will be a LOT of angry YOUNG PEOPLE.
It's the defenses' job to try to poke holes in the state's case. That really has no bearing on anything outside the trial if they have no new evidence to present at trial.
I guarantee you can try as hard as you want to bang yourself against the wall, you might split your skull but there is no way you'd sever your spinal cord.
Just FYI...football players have been known to injure their spinal cords on vicious helmet to helmet hits. So it is possible.
Not saying that's what occurred, just saying it's possible.
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Since we don't know all the evidence - we're here for discussion - not attacking people. There's 2 sides and 2 stories and we won't know the exact evidence or circumstances until the trial. The way people's thought process works is subjective. How 1 Medical Examiner views his evidence can be quite different from another due to their previous experiences.
But 1 thing I know - I'd rather have any of those cops living in my neighborhood than I would Freddie Gray and I doubt that any of the defenders would think differently if tit came to tat.
Just FYI...football players have been known to injure their spinal cords on vicious helmet to helmet hits. So it is possible.
Not saying that's what occurred, just saying it's possible.
Well, anything is possible. That question that should be asked is how likely is it that he would be able to crush his own vocal box AND severe his spine 80% from his neck? The doctors that treated him said that these injuries are akin to those in a car accident victim. But the reality is that those injuries are rare even for car accident victims. This is just my personal opinion but I believe that he was injured during arrest and those injuries were enhanced during the van ride.
It became 'not about race' when we all found out 3 of the 6 cops are black.
Just b/c half of the officers that arrested him are African American doesn't mean that this is somehow not about race. I don't think race is the most important factor here, but it's an important one none the less.
It became 'not about race' when we all found out 3 of the 6 cops are black.
It was never about black versus white...it was and is about cops versus blacks...it is an institutionalized racism in some departments that apparently is not limited to white cops only...what is the point of pointing this out? Are some of you actually arguing that because 3 of the cops were black, then Grey wasn't a victim of racism? Sorry but it's not that black and white, pun intended.
I guess the medical examiner's finding just don't mean squat to some people.
The irony is strong in this one.
That M.E. report does mean something, just not everything. If it meant so much in cases such as this then why would there be a demand for multiple M.E. examinations as in the Ferguson case? Maybe because M.E. reports can be subjective and not all M.E.'s are equal in experience?
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Nope, but it would make him feel a LOT less pain when he is injuring himself.
Watch some episodes of Cops, people in custody try to injure themselves all the time. Not saying that is what happened to Mr. Gray.......but it is a possibility!
Not only would it make him feel less pain it "could" also make him unable to stop from flopping around due to being anesthetized (Heroin).
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That's not logical at all. It's stupid. The cops didn't strap him in and the only way he could have had his spine severed the way it was is by being slammed into a bolt at very high velocity. Heroin and weed don't factor into that at all. You don't get to play the logic card because your thought process is so entirely flawed and biased.
We know who has been charged with what and what happened to Freddie Gray. And guess what? This isn't a court of law. Those thugs get no due process here. They killed Freddie Gray and none of your mental gymnastics will change that.
Your bigotry is showing.
Why don't you do a little research before spewing nonsense. He didn't injure himself. Those reports were false and his wounds are entirely inconsistent with self-harm. The medical examiner ruled his death a homicide for a reason.
Everything from the time he was first spotted and decided to run to when he was found dead is a factor. The problem here is some are not waiting for all the FACTors to come out and just listening to what bolsters their own preconceived notions of what occurred. Some may call that "bigoted" as well.
Unless you are a Medical Examiner that has seen the autopsy report or done your own independent autopsy on Freddie and have seen all the available evidence you are not, nor is anyone else able to say anything is inconsistent with anything.
Again, all y'all are going off is what the S.A. has said and taking that as gospel.
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You and I both know that the evidence that has already been submitted is enough to get them Jail time, even if they don't have anything else. Its more than "Theory" to say he was wrongly arrested, and held, and was alive. He died while they had him illegally. That's facts. I see Jail time coming.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. It applies to Cops too. A good "Wake Up" call to all Police who bend the rules, and think they are beyond the Law.
No, it's definitely theory to say he was illegally arrested at this point since nobody here has seen the whole arrest report nor the officers statements.
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No its not. Not even a remote Possibility.
He had no business being in the van in the first place. It was an illegal arrest and detention. In plain language, they basically kidnapped him.
Not only would it make him feel less pain it "could" also make him unable to stop from flopping around due to being anesthetized (Heroin).
Or, maybe having your hands and feet shackled could make you unable to stop from flopping around.
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