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Old 06-26-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by PingMan View Post
Why do all of the liberals, who want nothing to do with God, insist on non-believers having the right to be "married" in the eyes of that same God?
Why do certain believers think that marriage is inherently religious?

Twenty years ago, my wife and I were legally married in Minnesota. We were not married in church. We were not married by a religious figure. The ceremony contained no religious references, nor even the vaguest hint of anything religious. To assert that somehow we wanted to be married 'in the eyes' of some deity is absurd.

So where you get the inane idea that civil marriage is somehow necessarily religious is beyond me. Civil marriage is, in fact, entirely secular. That some couples choose to adorn those civil marriages with all manner of religious trappings no more makes my marriage religious than the fact that some people make a religious rite out of drinking wine makes my enjoyment of a glass of merlot a religious act.

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PS - Same -sex marriages are already underway in many new states, such as Georgia, Texas, and Arkansas.

UPDATE Gay marriages under way in states where they were banned - San Jose Mercury News

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Just because a Scotus says it is a right doesn't make it a right by law. If that was the case, then why have states been issuing marriage licences instead of the Feds?
In fact, it is a right by law precisely because the USSC has determined that it is.

And how you're oblivious to the fact that the USSC has jurisdiction over the Constitutional obligations of states, and not just the federal government, is beyond me. Geez, crack open a ninth-grade civics book.

 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Kihei, Maui
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To the people who think their particular religious beliefs should dictate the laws of our land, please take it up with James Madison: "The civil rights of none, shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext infringed."

What a great day for this country!
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Good point. One would have to assume that if you truly believe that the government should stay out of your bedroom then you certainly would choose not to register nor acknowledge your religious marriage with any governmental body, state or federal.

Is that the case?
Well that is a bigger argument isn't it? There are Gay people who are also religious too. It's funny how when people who are opposed to Gay marriage always bring up sex but don't mention sex when it comes to Heterosexual marriages. The hypocrisy is quite "thick"!
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Why do all of the liberals, who want nothing to do with God, insist on non-believers having the right to be "married" in the eyes of that same God?
Legal marriage is about being married in the eyes of the law, not God.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:44 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Denoninations do not overrule the Bible. There is no such thing as a "gay Christian", no more than there are "chronic adulterer Christians" or "Christian thieves".
So what? My point was if an LGBT couple wishes to have a church wedding, there are churches where they can do that.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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Because they believe thier God allows it
Then they worship a different God than the One, true God.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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The supreme court does not make laws.
But they do decide the validity of laws. Understand? And they decided laws that ban gay marriage are invalid. Understand?
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:45 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Just because a Scotus says it is a right doesn't make it a right by law. If that was the case, then why have states been issuing marriage licences instead of the Feds?

The supreme court does not make laws.
Correct. And today they have stated the existing 14th Amendment applies to marriage.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Eastern UP of Michigan
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Why do all of the liberals, who want nothing to do with God, insist on non-believers having the right to be "married" in the eyes of that same God?

Actually, we are both liberals and both believe in "God", although not so much in the biblical, fundamental, inerrant way.

We are more of the spiritual belief that there is something amazing and wonderous in life and what comes after. You could probably say that our "God" combines elements of Judeo-Christian thought, some native American Indian spiritual concepts and most any other similar belief system thrown in.

I can assure you that our marriage has even deepened our spiritual belief. Sorry to dispel your notion of all.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: NM
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Is anyone really surprise at this decision? It was going to happen sooner or later, young people especially so called "millennials" who now outnumber the boomers are overwhelmingly in favor of LGBT rights, it was a question "when" this decision would happen not if.

Anyways I'm going back to enjoy some salty tears of impotent rage.
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