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I don't disagree. Now what does that have to do with what I said?
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Originally Posted by stevek64
If you think the money and programs are managed well in such a system and you believe the flavor of the day leader that wants your vote is going to make it all better.....
I never argued that one leader makes everything better, but thanks for creating a strawman argument in place of my position.
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Originally Posted by stevek64
well, 1st I have ocean front property in Iowa still available for you. And 2nd, you might want to read a bit more on the above site. And then research how major gov programs like SSN, Medicare, etc. are being "managed" now.
Managed by corrupt officials? Yea, sounds about right.
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Originally Posted by stevek64
And as for things being "free".....you have a good day!
Here we go again, thinking that there is actually a limitation to how the Federal government pays for projects. Those dollars in your pocket are about "real" as the toilet paper in your bathroom. The government can fund any bill of any size at any time. It chooses not to for political (power) reasons.
While your concern for the rich is admirable, we also need to think about the needs of the 99% of the population IMO. And they are struggling. What is a socialist? Roads and public schools are socialist programs. This is what being part of a society and community is all about. Some of the most successful countries in the world, like Germany and the Scandinavian countries have extensive socialist programs and the middle class is thriving.
Politicians who take billions of dollars from Wall Street and the billionaire class is not what American democracy should be about.
The American people want to see social security expanded by lifting the cap on taxable income, to give struggling seniors who have worked their whole life and disabled war veterans the retirement that they deserve. This is what Bernie Sanders proposes. A government that addresses the needs of all Americans, not just the billionaire class is what America should be about IMO.
Supporting Bernie so far. Otherwise, anyone but a Republican.
I don't disagree. Now what does that have to do with what I said?
I never argued that one leader makes everything better, but thanks for creating a strawman argument in place of my position.
Managed by corrupt officials? Yea, sounds about right.
Here we go again, thinking that there is actually a limitation to how the Federal government pays for projects. Those dollars in your pocket are about "real" as the toilet paper in your bathroom. The government can fund any bill of any size at any time. It chooses not to for political (power) reasons.
My bottom line point is I feel our gov system currently mismanages current large programs such as SSN, Medicare(ie great examples of big scale gov managed projects). They are grossly underfunded. We are running an almost 20 trillion dollar deficit, and that's just the "headline" number. And what do we do when we bump against that debt ceiling???.....raise the debt limit of course as the solution! That's not managing anything. We are broke. And I don't think it's sane to give someone oversight of something that they have proven to not being able to handle on the most basic financial level.
So it's asked of me why I should trust the gov to take on managing more large scale programs when it's clear beyond any doubt in my mind that they can't handle what they have on their table now. I feel it's financial mismanagement at such an embarrassing level that I can't even find the proper term for it.
Far left ideas help you more than any of the other hooey you believe in. How about you read about his platform before writing him off.
Please enlighten us as to what is so negative and crippling about tuition free college education, universal health care, and large scale public-works infrastructure projects?
Name a few services that have been “free” and have worked well.
As far as I can tell or find out, Bernie is not connected with any corporate interests or lobbyists. That alone puts him in favor of getting my vote and support. His ideas are simple, make America the country it use to be and help the people.
As far as I can tell or find out, Bernie is not connected with any corporate interests or lobbyists. That alone puts him in favor of getting my vote and support. His ideas are simple, make America the country it use to be and help the people.
oh sure, all those running are only there to help the people. All that simple. Yep.
May I suggest you search on sites like this to see who is contributing to whom.
Socialism means that you do not own your own life. It is an INITIATION of force against citizens with the government holding the gun. And yes, we have that today in the USA. Much of our freedom is long gone to the extent we ever had it.
Here's the question:
Why is it good to take, BY INITIATION OF FORCE, the money that someone earned to redistribute to people who did NOT earn it?
My bottom line point is I feel our gov system currently mismanages current large programs such as SSN, Medicare(ie great examples of big scale gov managed projects).
You are always going to feel that way. You WANT to feel that way....
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Originally Posted by stevek64
They are grossly underfunded.
On paper.
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Originally Posted by stevek64
We are running an almost 20 trillion dollar deficit, and that's just the "headline" number. And what do we do when we bump against that debt ceiling???.....raise the debt limit of course as the solution!
It is the solution. The debt limit shouldn't exist. It's nothing more than an arbitrary law designed to have policy makers re-evaluate budget priorities.
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Originally Posted by stevek64
That's not managing anything. We are broke. And I don't think it's sane to give someone oversight of something that they have proven to not being able to handle on the most basic financial level.
Apparently we have been broke for over 200 years. When is this collapse happening?
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Originally Posted by stevek64
So it's asked of me why I should trust the gov to take on managing more large scale programs when it's clear beyond any doubt in my mind that they can't handle what they have on their table now. I feel it's financial mismanagement at such an embarrassing level that I can't even find the proper term for it.
You just answered your own question.
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Originally Posted by HappyRider
Name a few services that have been “free” and have worked well.
Every service provided by the Federal government is "free." The only cost is inflation, which is kept in check by taxes (taxes ensure that you go to work everyday).
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.....you have a good day!
That's not managing anything. We are broke. And I don't think it's sane to give someone oversight of something that they have proven to not being able to handle on the most basic financial level.
