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Plenty of us tried to do something after the sandy hook shooting, we called our congress critters and demanded that schools be protected by armed guards or police,(you know like the ones they have at there kids private schools).
But the *******s started screaming like little girls, i guess armed guards didn't fit there agenda of using dead children as an excuse to ban guns.
So here we sit with many of our schools protected by nothing more than a "gun free zone" sign, while the libs gleefully await the next school shooting so they can push their gun ban agenda.
Oh and by the way I care enough to send my kid to a private school with armed security at great financial cost to my family, Unlike the *******s I guess I'm not willing to sacrifice my kid for the cause.
Bill
and that's living in the land of the free is it sending your kids to an armed guard school?I'll take Europe any day. We have no weapons at home in schools or armed guards, we just have a buzzer on reception to let people in, secure doors throughout the school and a closed recess yard with security codes which parents are not allowed to have the code to only staff , no parents can access the recess areas or school without going through the front desk first, and bar Dumblane there has no been a reoccurance and we disarmed after that incident. No armed guards, no private school in order to protect kids. We have a panic alarm linked to the local police.
We have a buzzer to let people into school and playgrounds are secured not by armed guards but coded gates. If the code gets found out it is changed immediately and is changed anyway often every term. Do we have mass shootings in schools in the UK ...No! and yet we have criminals and mental illness, yet not one criminal feels the need to go into a school and shoot at innocent children on a monthly basis or in a church or place of worship why do you think that is? no armed guards either?
Here in the US but because of the need for people to arm themselves I feel less safe than what I do in the UK and about my children's safety but I still do not arm myself. I agree we don't have armed guards here and don't think we should as this just makes kids think guns are normal and part of life to me they are not. Nothing to do with being a liberal and everything to do with the European culture.
Where I live here in the US, the recess yard is completely open even though reception is secure. Parents who I don't know just walk onto the recess yard during school hours and there are no coded gates unlike the UK or secure gates onto the recess yard. So even a disgruntled parent can just walk on into that yard, if they are armed under their so called right then my kid stands no chance, if they were not they do! But I guess you will have some argument about that too.
Give me Europe any day.Kids here see guns as normal to every day life, coming from Europe kids don't maybe that's because not all our police force is armed too.
Enjoy your right, whilst others lose their other right which is to live freely. Something which is a fallacy here as I feel anything but regardless of weapons. Same with the free speech thing here. Free speech as long as it tows the line otherwise watch out you are either going to hell or getting your head blown off and you are a bleeding liberal rather than actually someone who is accepting and tolerant.
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They hope that if they disarm the law abiding people now, then maybe 20-30 years down the road the vast stockpiles of guns and ammo that the criminals have on hands today would be depleted, and there won't be a thriving illegal gun trade across our so well protected borders.
BTW I read that they are talking about a ban on the knives with sharp points in the UK, since "no law abiding citizen needs one".
All those "law abiding people" are the source of the guns used in all these tragedies. With the exception of a few weapons smuggled into this country every firearm here starts out legally owned and then far too many are either mishandled or otherwise transferred to someone who uses them illegally. Why does anyone have a problem with keeping that from happening in the first place?
Does anyone out there believe Rusty Houser should have had that gun?
yeah! if the US Gov't can have nukes I want one too, can't tolerate that imbalance of power
That's a braindead comment. Who said the US government should have nukes? It certainly wasn't me.
Maybe nukes should be banned. Really banned, as in kept out of private AND PUBLIC hands. But that's another discussion that has nothing to do with the fact that unilaterally disarming citizens -- in other words, depriving them of the ability to defend themselves -- is morally wrong.
He is not at all interested in gun safety, he and his ilk want guns banned, nothing more, nothing less.
And that will never happen. The Republican Congress would fight him tooth and nail to a bitter end over this. And if he tries to do it by executive edict he would get sued and blocked in the courts again. The case would go all the way up the Supremes, and he would lose. He's smart enough to know not to even try and touch this one.
While European cities do have bad hoods, they don't nearly have as many of them, and they seem to police them better (or at least contain them better).
I didn't see the crazies / people who looked like obvious ghetto thugs walking the streets as freely in Paris as they do in NYC.
Either there's fewer of them, or they are made feel not welcome.
Have you been to parts of south London? east London and north London? You are right they do police them better and not all our police are armed! But there are still areas where response times are too long. Yes its true they are on a smaller scale but they are there and they are not just black. We have lots of eastern Europeans too that are involved in crime. But because its harder to gain access to weapons there are probably less of them plus our culture is less divided in terms of race and guns are not seen as part of our culture or everyday life especially as kids growing up hence why we fee the way we do. We do treat mental illness and I think also have a better understanding of it sometimes rather than just calling people crazies! People who are mentally ill are so for a variety of reasons and some may never be rehabilitated or cured . We don't treat all or as many as we could and there are many that slip through the net, but yet we still don't run for the gun or feel like sitting ducks in our own country
I agree in some respects that its too late for the USA, guns are so normal here now and engrained in culture it would be impossible to ban/restrict them anyway and more lives would probably get lost. How do you change years of people thinking its normal to be armed.
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, Schindlers list comment, how ignorant! That was the Nazis not just your every day police officer or army . That was brainwashing to the max and even if most Jews had a gun it would have made no difference to their survival as it was an ideology. A lot were gassed and starved as well as shot.To compare genocide to harden your argument just shows how dumb you are, because of this do you now see all jews and others affected carrying a gun, no I don't think so! They humbly rebuilt their communities and didn't arm themselves go on the rampage with a gun shooting all Germans because of it.
Our police are not armed where I come from and those that are(special firearms/terrorist squad) most don't go around on some power trip shooting everyone like your argument above. They sometimes take a while to respond to calls depending on where you live but do we feel the need to arm ourselves to the max NO! One of unarmed soldiers was beheaded outside a barracks when he was off duty by a terrorist, do we then all pick up a gun and have it at home as justification for a weapon No! and none in our nation are calling for this or to have a weapon at home, so sorry but it is definitely a culture thing here and the USA obsession with having one because its their right. meanwhile the mass violence worsens and continues and more innocent lives get lost. Be interesting to see the figures for people killed/injured by accident by some trigger happy person exercising their constitutional right! Bit like the teacher who was sacked here for playing with her weapon at school in a restroom whilst sat on the toilet, which then went off and shot her in the leg and put a bullet through a door. Luckily no kids were in there at the time as obviously the safety catch was not on and she was just fooling around for fun! But hey at least she was excercising her constitutional right so that makes it ok then doesn't it!
Nice to see that you have to resort to name calling when you realize your argument can't hold water. How adult of you. Perhaps you should reread your history books and take note of the fact that one of the first things Hitler did when he came into power was to disarm the German populace under the pretense that "the government will protect you." Here in the U.S. (unlike where ever you live), the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect an individual. That's why we have the Second Amendment.
Do you honestly believe that if all firearms were banned that murder and suicide would suddenly (or even gradually) disappear?
Have you been to parts of south London? east London and north London? You are right they do police them better and not all our police are armed! But there are still areas where response times are too long. Yes its true they are on a smaller scale but they are there and they are not just black. We have lots of eastern Europeans too that are involved in crime. But because its harder to gain access to weapons there are probably less of them plus our culture is less divided in terms of race and guns are not seen as part of our culture or everyday life especially as kids growing up hence why we fee the way we do. We do treat mental illness and I think also have a better understanding of it sometimes rather than just calling people crazies! People who are mentally ill are so for a variety of reasons and some may never be rehabilitated or cured . We don't treat all or as many as we could and there are many that slip through the net, but yet we still don't run for the gun or feel like sitting ducks in our own country
I agree in some respects that its too late for the USA, guns are so normal here now and engrained in culture it would be impossible to ban/restrict them anyway and more lives would probably get lost. How do you change years of people thinking its normal to be armed.
I've been to London. And Paris. And some parts of Eastern Europe.
It's not the guns. It's the mentality. I saw some bad hoods in Paris, but nothing like the ghettos here. I'm not asking if you've been to the bad areas of Detroit or Chicago since it's clear you haven't. An unarmed policeman would be very dead very fast there.
And the hooligans in London or Paris want to beat the crap out of you, they don't want to kill you. The ghetto thugs want to kill. They kill needlessly, just for the kicks.
Take their guns away, and they won't stop killing people.
In California, 1745 total murders. 521 not by firearms. That's 30%.
In Colorado, firearm murders were half of all murders. The other half by other means (and half of that by knives).
In Idaho, less than half of all murders were by firearms. Idaho is a gun friendly state and yet the killers used other weapons in more than half of murders.
In New Hampshire (remember, high levels of gun ownership, very low crime) there was 21 murder in the entire 2013, only in 5 were any firearms used.
In Wyoming, the US state that has the highest level of legal gun ownership, there was 15 murders and the guns were used in 9. 40% of murders in the most gun filled state of the nation did not involve firearms.
I think when you study that table you'd see the same thing as all other tables... the states that have the highest proportion of gun homicides vs other homicides are also the states that have the ghetto problem - and I can guarantee you that none of these guns are legally obtained.
And in California, 1/3 of murderers don't even bother with guns.
Take guns out of circulation, and that 30% will jump to 100%. I doubt they will stop killing people. They are pretty efficient without guns as it is.
Let's look at California again. The state population is under 40 million. The population of France is over 60 million. The total number of murders in France in 2012 was about 670. The number of murders without use of firearms in California - 521.
Let's repeat it again. In California, which has much smaller population than France, and in which criminals have far better access to guns, the number of murders where no guns were used is almost the same as the number of all murders in France.
The school shooting sprees in Europe happen as often as in the US.
It's just that US is one big country with about 330 mln people, and Europe is nicely compartmentalized and so is the European statistical data and news coverage. I am sure when kids get shot in Germany you in the UK don't see it as "your" country's problem the way we in Michigan see the shootings in Connecticut as our country's problem. But when you look at the overall statistics for Europe - an area comparable in population size to the US - there seems to be a shooting every year. Despite all the great strides in gun control and mental health (no sarcasm here). So you're really not as far from the US as you want to think you are.
So, how does that gun control work out for you ?
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