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Old 10-13-2015, 08:12 PM
 
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Something about MH17, Russians released satellite images of the incident and said that there were US satellites watching and so where is the US imagery ?
Satellites can't cover every spot on earth every moment of the day, and a sudden event like that isn't likely to have been covered....

...unless you knew that it was planned.
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:14 PM
 
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Well you can rule that out because the flight was on its normal flight path.
Not so sure about that:
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heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called "a direct
routing". This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the
regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based
navigation aid or way point to another.
Air India flight was 90 seconds away when missile struck Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 - The Times of India
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:50 PM
 
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Satellites can't cover every spot on earth every moment of the day, and a sudden event like that isn't likely to have been covered....

...unless you knew that it was planned.
Both Russians and Americans are watching that specific area via satellites. Americanism are looking for evidence of Russian weaponry in Ukraine among other things. It's not by any means any spot on earth. It's a very watched spot by the superpowers, because that's where all the international attention is at.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:08 PM
 
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Both Russians and Americans are watching that specific area via satellites. Americanism are looking for evidence of Russian weaponry in Ukraine among other things. It's not by any means any spot on earth. It's a very watched spot by the superpowers, because that's where all the international attention is at.
Yeah, but not 24/7. We don't have enough satellites. They pass over the area on a regular basis, but most of the day there's no satellite coverage at all.

That still gives us good intelligence on what sort of weapons they have deployed, and where they are, but it very rarely tells us when one is actually being fired. It'd just be blind luck if one happened to be passing overhead at the right moment.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:12 PM
 
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Both Russians and Americans are watching that specific area via satellites. Americanism are looking for evidence of Russian weaponry in Ukraine among other things. It's not by any means any spot on earth. It's a very watched spot by the superpowers, because that's where all the international attention is at.
Satellites are not God.

Missile launch and aircraft crash lasted all of five minutes max and required having a camera trained in just the right position knowing the aircraft track to follow. That would be a totally serendipitous shot...unless you knew in advance that it was planned.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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What are you guys arguing ? US is not watching ?

A picture is taken from altitude, this is a high definition picture that covers a wide area. The satellite is recording, you go to time you need and get the video. Then you magnify specific areas to get a specific picture.

Russian government is telling you that US was watching.

Yes, can get 24/h coverage from using different satellites.

not that many satellites lol, in 60 years since Russians launched the first satellite, we have over polluted the sky so much with satellites that from time to time all that space junk crushes.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:19 PM
 
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What are you guys arguing ? US is not watching ?

A picture is taken from altitude, this is a high definition picture that covers a wide area. The satellite is recording, you go to time you need and get the video. Then you magnify specific areas to get a specific picture.

Russian government is telling you that US was watching.

Yes, can get 24/h coverage from using different satellites.

not that many satellites lol, in 60 years since Russians launched the first satellite, we have over polluted the sky so much with satellites that from time to time all that space junk crushes.
No, we can not cover an area 24/7. You're misinformed.

Spy satellites need to travel in low orbits, so they can see better. In LEO (low earth orbit), you're clipping along at about 18,000 miles per hour, so you're never over one spot very long. Ever see the international space station go overhead? How long is that over any given area? 7 to 9 minutes at the most, a few times a day, and that's pretty much the same altitude as a spy satellite.

So if you consider that, then yeah - you need a hell of a lot of satellites to cover an area around the clock, and nobody has that many. They're too expensive. Just because space is cluttered with thousands of pieces of space junk doesn't mean they're all spy satellites.
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Old 10-14-2015, 12:49 AM
 
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Satellites can't cover every spot on earth every moment of the day, and a sudden event like that isn't likely to have been covered....

...unless you knew that it was planned.
It would be a very good bet that US surveillance was focused on that particular spot of the planet Earth and they were using the fullest capabilities to watch every minute activity taking place.

The CIA did after all orchestrate the coup of an elected government then were hugely surprised at the Russian and Eastern Ukrainian response. But they did achieve their goal. To install Joe Biden's "other son" as head of the state owned gas and oil company.
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Old 10-14-2015, 05:59 AM
 
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It would be a very good bet that US surveillance was focused on that particular spot of the planet Earth and they were using the fullest capabilities to watch every minute activity taking place.
What is in your mind when you say "that particular spot?"

We're talking about a point in space--latitude, longitude, altitude--that was occupied at a moment in time by an aircraft and at that same moment by a missile. The US is not watching any given point in space 24/7. That's not even possible, at least not outside of science fiction.

And while there is interest in that area, there isn't that much interest. There are literally thousands of other places we know activity is going on that we're more interested in and require as much constant attention as possible, such as tracking ISIS movements, still monitoring Russian military activity (they still have nukes, remember)--and all of this requires processing power as well as imaging time. Processing power and imaging time isn't wasted on every point in space and every moment in time just in case something might happen.

Any imaging time used in that area was being spent looking in high detail for Russian equipment on the ground--detail high enough to figure out who is driving the equipment. It wasn't being used to scan every point in space.

The reason the Russians captured it is because they knew it was going to happen.

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The CIA did after all orchestrate the coup of an elected government then were hugely surprised at the Russian and Eastern Ukrainian response. But they did achieve their goal. To install Joe Biden's "other son" as head of the state owned gas and oil company.
That's just irrelevant to the point.
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