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Old 11-03-2015, 07:14 PM
 
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Was the Pneumonia due to the vaccine? I find this story odd as it claims the young lady wasted away, but how do we know, for sure, it was due to the vaccine?
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:56 PM
 
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It's sad that even a nurse cannot understand that just because symptoms happen after a vaccine that does not mean the vaccine caused the symptoms.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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It's sad that even a nurse cannot understand that just because symptoms happen after a vaccine that does not mean the vaccine caused the symptoms.
I believe it's true that many side effects of drugs likely aren't side effects at all, but if they happened to someone while on a trial for the drug, they have to be reported as if they were potential side effects. Someone could have had a heart attack, for example, totally out of the blue and unrelated to the drug, but if it happened while on the trial for the drug, it must be reported as a potential side effect. So side effects or symptoms caused by a drug or vaccine may be skewed. People need to understand how reporting them works.
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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Court told of



Was the Pneumonia due to the vaccine? I find this story odd as it claims the young lady wasted away, but how do we know, for sure, it was due to the vaccine?
If you read the article closely, what it recites are the allegations that the Plaintiff is making in her complaint. Allegations in a complaint are unproven. They are simply the basis for the lawsuit from the perspective of the complaining party. There is no requirement that these allegations first be verified from any source.

If you read the CDC's information about this vaccine, I do not see pneumonia or respiratory disease even appearing on the list of complaints made to VAERS.

Stop and think about this. The hpv vaccine has been in use since 2006 and millions of doses have been given. If these problems were really linked to this vaccine isn't it likely they would have surfaced before now? I think these allegations are unfounded.

I further note that the complaint alleges that the Plaintiff developed flu like symptoms in October shortly after she had taken the hpv shot. October coincides with the beginning of flu season. So, maybe, just maybe, the problem was the girl really did catch the flu and it had nothing to do with getting an hpv shot. Sometimes flu turns into pneumonia. It seems a far more likely scenario than one that postulates the hpv shot caused this to happen.

Take a look at this link from the CDC and go to the question that asks if serious events have been reported after taking the hpv vaccine. You'll see that the events that have been reported have been primarily fainting, dizziness, and a sore arm at the spot where the shot was given.


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vac...y-faqs.html#A5
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:59 PM
 
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It's sad that even a nurse cannot understand that just because symptoms happen after a vaccine that does not mean the vaccine caused the symptoms.
No but it could have been... VERY LIKELY!!!! (You cant say 100% for sure it didnt)

Very sad Suzy
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:03 PM
 
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No but it could have been... VERY LIKELY!!!! (You cant say 100% for sure it didnt)

Very sad Suzy
The experience with millions of doses of the vaccine tells us it's unlikely.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:53 PM
 
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I believe it's true that many side effects of drugs likely aren't side effects at all, but if they happened to someone while on a trial for the drug, they have to be reported as if they were potential side effects. Someone could have had a heart attack, for example, totally out of the blue and unrelated to the drug, but if it happened while on the trial for the drug, it must be reported as a potential side effect. So side effects or symptoms caused by a drug or vaccine may be skewed. People need to understand how reporting them works.
That's true. The "delayed back pain" warning on Viagra is a hoot.
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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That's true. The "delayed back pain" warning on Viagra is a hoot.

But for which partner?
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Old 11-04-2015, 04:31 AM
 
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That's true. The "delayed back pain" warning on Viagra is a hoot.
Or the erection lasting 4 hours or more!
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:46 AM
 
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No but it could have been... VERY LIKELY!!!! (You cant say 100% for sure it didnt)

Very sad Suzy
Right.

We can't prove negatives.

So I 'cant say 100% for sure' that eating bananas didn't cause my last hangnail.

Fortunately, a little thing called logic requires far more than a single instance of correlation to make a proposed cause and effect 'VERY LIKELY!!!!'...
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