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Old 11-20-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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POT is legal for medical use in California.

Notice how the tax revenue has helped clear out the National Forests of criminals who carve out vast tracts of land where people hiking or trying to enjoy the outdoors (and for which they pay taxes) get shot at or killed?

How is making POT legal for recreational use going to eliminate the criminals that occupy tax payer supported lands to cultivate the crops? Is there suddenly going to be a clearing out of these criminals so they can grow in some greenhouse on their own private land?

Yeah right.
What in the world is wrong with your logic???


Legalized mj means licensed, regulated indoor grows, which is where the licensed, regulated retailers gets their supply from. When the proper tax point is reached (it is too high right now), the price of the product will drop to the point that the black market will become deflated. This will cause the profit for illegal growers to drop to the point that it is no longer worth the risk, so they will move on to something else.


Colorado is not having problems with large-scale, damaging outdoor grows. Whenever one is found it is taken out, and the action is applauded by the legal mj industry.


The feds even helped with the last one. One thing I noticed is that the feds came in, took care of the illegal grower, and then left, leaving the legal industry alone.

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Old 11-20-2015, 08:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife View Post
POT is legal for medical use in California.

Notice how the tax revenue has helped clear out the National Forests of criminals who carve out vast tracts of land where people hiking or trying to enjoy the outdoors (and for which they pay taxes) get shot at or killed?

How is making POT legal for recreational use going to eliminate the criminals that occupy tax payer supported lands to cultivate the crops? Is there suddenly going to be a clearing out of these criminals so they can grow in some greenhouse on their own private land?

Yeah right.
You're really out of your element here. It's painfully obvious that you have no clue on this subject.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife View Post
POT is legal for medical use in California.

Notice how the tax revenue has helped clear out the National Forests of criminals who carve out vast tracts of land where people hiking or trying to enjoy the outdoors (and for which they pay taxes) get shot at or killed?

How is making POT legal for recreational use going to eliminate the criminals that occupy tax payer supported lands to cultivate the crops? Is there suddenly going to be a clearing out of these criminals so they can grow in some greenhouse on their own private land?

Yeah right.
In states where it is legal you can grow it anywhere, even your own back yard. There won't be any incentive to go on public lands. The profit is gone for low quality "wild grown" hemp strains. The big drug cartels are gnashing their teeth at the great losses they can't recoup. Pot gardens never covered "vast tracts" just a few acres. You obviously know nothing.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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What in the world is wrong with your logic???


Legalized mj means licensed, regulated indoor grows, which is where the licensed, regulated retailers gets their supply from. When the proper tax point is reached (it is too high right now), the price of the product will drop to the point that the black market will become deflated. This will cause the profit for illegal growers to drop to the point that it is no longer worth the risk, so they will move on to something else.


Colorado is not having problems with large-scale, damaging outdoor grows. Whenever one is found it is taken out, and the action is applauded by the legal mj industry.


The feds even helped with the last one. One thing I noticed is that the feds came in, took care of the illegal grower, and then left, leaving the legal industry alone.
California, not Colorado is the major cash crop producer of marijuana compared between the two states.

Growing Marijuana is a multi-billion dollar industry, these people are just going to move on to something else? They grow marijuana, just what else are they going to move on to?

California is having problems with large scale outdoors damaging grows, where have you been?

Your theory is nonsense. Making something illegal, legal eliminates the criminal component? Then why are so many criminals involved in selling prescription drugs, clothing and anything else they can get involved in? Suddenly all these people are going to turn to some honest job and become model citizens?

Your theory has no logic, it went up in smoke a long time ago.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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In states where it is legal you can grow it anywhere, even your own back yard. There won't be any incentive to go on public lands. The profit is gone for low quality "wild grown" hemp strains. The big drug cartels are gnashing their teeth at the great losses they can't recoup. Pot gardens never covered "vast areas" just a few acres. You obviously know nothing.
You think that most people smoking pot want to grow it? They can't read the instructions or flip on the light switch without laughing at themselves, just how are they going to grow it?

None of the illegally grown pot ends up getting sold in states where it is legal because people can grow it in their backyards? Hilarious.

In colorado "Grow your plants in a secure, enclosed location: Planting your ganja in your garden -- even if it's locked -- isn't good enough to meet regulations in Colorado. In order to grow cannabis lawfully, it'll need to be in a fully-enclosed location. This could be a basement, garage or greenhouse, but must remain closed off at all times (opening windows doesn't count as enclosed any more)."

Yeah, like everyone is going to do that. And when they aren't building a greenhouse or tending their plants, they might have time to get a job huh?
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:18 PM
 
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California, not Colorado is the major cash crop producer of marijuana compared between the two states.

Growing Marijuana is a multi-billion dollar industry, these people are just going to move on to something else? They grow marijuana, just what else are they going to move on to?

California is having problems with large scale outdoors damaging grows, where have you been?

Your theory is nonsense. Making something illegal, legal eliminates the criminal component? Then why are so many criminals involved in selling prescription drugs, clothing and anything else they can get involved in? Suddenly all these people are going to turn to some honest job and become model citizens?

Your theory has no logic, it went up in smoke a long time ago.
Yes, you are right about California. They are supplying a good chunk of the black market OVER THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. National prohibition needs to end in order to take the teeth out of the black market.


You don't know your history very well, do you? When alcohol prohibition was in full swing it fueled a huge, crime-ridden black market. When prohibition ended, the moonshiners and organized crime had to move on to something else, so they did.


You might want to take note that there are not deadly alcohol, nicotine, or caffeine wars going on south of the border. That is because those drugs are legal and regulated.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:32 PM
 
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You think that most people smoking pot want to grow it? They can't read the instructions or flip on the light switch without laughing at themselves, just how are they going to grow it?

None of the illegally grown pot ends up getting sold in states where it is legal because people can grow it in their backyards? Hilarious.

In colorado "Grow your plants in a secure, enclosed location: Planting your ganja in your garden -- even if it's locked -- isn't good enough to meet regulations in Colorado. In order to grow cannabis lawfully, it'll need to be in a fully-enclosed location. This could be a basement, garage or greenhouse, but must remain closed off at all times (opening windows doesn't count as enclosed any more)."

Yeah, like everyone is going to do that. And when they aren't building a greenhouse or tending their plants, they might have time to get a job huh?
My my, you really are clueless, aren't you?


Just look into the sheer size of the indoor horticulture supply market. There are literally hundreds of companies selling millions of dollars worth of equipment annually, and have been for decades. You literally have no clue about how many people have been growing their own since the 1990's, but you act like such an expert.


Just Google it.


Here is something else to Google: Grow light EMI.


EMI is electromagnetic interference. It turns out that many home growers have started using cheap Chinese electronic ballasts for their grow light. The problem with them is that they put out so much radio interference that they interfere with radio communications for blocks all around them.


The problem is so bad, in fact, that the ARRL (American Radio Relay League) has petitioned the FCC to step in and do something about the problem. This is because in some places, as you drive down street after street you find that as many as 2 out of every 5 houses is generating the interference! All it takes is an AM radio to pick up the interference.


Please Google "grow light ARRL FCC" to check into these FACTS.


How many more FACTS is it going to take to make you realize you are clueless about this subject?
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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My my, you really are clueless, aren't you?


Just look into the sheer size of the indoor horticulture supply market. There are literally hundreds of companies selling millions of dollars worth of equipment annually, and have been for decades. You literally have no clue about how many people have been growing their own since the 1990's, but you act like such an expert.


Just Google it.


Here is something else to Google: Grow light EMI.


EMI is electromagnetic interference. It turns out that many home growers have started using cheap Chinese electronic ballasts for their grow light. The problem with them is that they put out so much radio interference that they interfere with radio communications for blocks all around them.


The problem is so bad, in fact, that the ARRL (American Radio Relay League) has petitioned the FCC to step in and do something about the problem. This is because in some places, as you drive down street after street you find that as many as 2 out of every 5 houses is generating the interference! All it takes is an AM radio to pick up the interference.


Please Google "grow light ARRL FCC" to check into these FACTS.


How many more FACTS is it going to take to make you realize you are clueless about this subject?
Why so much animosity, anger and upset? What happened to mellow?

So now there is yet another problem caused by growing marijuana, so much so the FCC needs to be brought in? Sure seems like creating problems is the by-product of marijuana.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:58 PM
 
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Why so much animosity, anger and upset? What happened to mellow?

There isn't any animosity, anger, or upset intended. Just stern wording, because in an effort to break through to you I feel I have to hammer the FACTS home.


It isn't just you. Most that are brainwashed and/or uninformed about mj will not consider other points of view, even when presented with hard facts. I have NEVER seen someone with your mindset EVER say something like "I see what you mean now that I see the facts", or even a simple "good point".


So with that being said, please forgive me if my posts come across as angry or upset.
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:07 PM
 
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So now there is yet another problem caused by growing marijuana, so much so the FCC needs to be brought in? Sure seems like creating problems is the by-product of marijuana.

Why am I not surprised that is the spin you place on it?


The problem is PROHIBITION, not the plant. Think about it. 90% of all home growers are doing it ILLEGALLY because of prohibition. That virtually eliminates all communication channels, meaning possible solutions to the problem can't be communicated or implemented. It isn't like they can safely contact someone for a fix, nor is there a way they can be safely contacted to be informed of the problem.


Just one more reason why it is time to end prohibition.
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