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School killings and crazy, depraved, violent people/societies existed long before video games.
I agree, and have knowledge of such.
Still that does not mean that certain segments of our society cannot be adversely affected by this vile crap with no socially valuable content.
As you might expect, I am not limiting my criticism to just violent video games.
The boob tube and movie theaters are other ways into our kids minds and hearts, just like radio and books. I seriously doubt anywhere near the vile crap of today was readily available to young kids back in those days.
So while there will always be nutcases who need no stimulus to make them carry out evil, rest assured it doesn't help to have al the vile garbage being pumped into their young minds.
Don't think for a minute that violent video games (which girls also play) along with Hollywood promoting empowered women and female roles as heroines kicking rear do not have an effect. Female arrests for assault/battery has exploded in the last 20 years, far beyond any historical comparison.
Women are no longer taught how to be ladies and not to fight like the stupid boys. Instead now you see many a YT video where girls are having street fights just like the guys. I'm sure MMA promoting female fighters is not helping either.
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Seriously? I spent my entire childhood watching violent movies, playing games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat (Chun Li!). And yes I always played the female character in those games. People who are prone to violence will do it no matter what they are exposed to. If you are violent playing violent video games create an echo chamber in your head. If you aren't, the violence is turned off as soon as you do.
What's different now? Everyone has a camera in their pocket and can share immediately.
These violent games on the other hand do not only lack any redeeming social value, they hardly can be considered a freedom of speech issue. So while the FF's couldn't have envisioned such things as TV, movies, or portable home video games, I seriously doubt they would have thought "Grand Theft Auto" would be covered under the 1st Amendment.
You sure run in a different crowd than I do. I've never heard, or heard of, anyone suggesting murdering any and all Muslims, no matter if they are left wing, right wing, libertarian, or fascist.
I wonder what your definition of "many" is, and where you are hearing all of these "many" people.
'Many' is over a half dozen usernames (admittedly could be the same person or persons). 'Where' is on city-data forums.
People I know in real life are far more reasonable.
Don't think for a minute that violent video games (which girls also play) along with Hollywood promoting empowered women and female roles as heroines kicking rear do not have an effect. Female arrests for assault/battery has exploded in the last 20 years, far beyond any historical comparison.
Women are no longer taught how to be ladies and not to fight like the stupid boys. Instead now you see many a YT video where girls are having street fights just like the guys. I'm sure MMA promoting female fighters is not helping either.
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I don't think the media is pushing that, it's more femism asking to be equal. Besides Samus of Metroid, name one female character in video games who wasn't a damsel is distress until Chun-Li of Street Fighter II and Sonya Blade of Mortal Kombat. There wasn't any.
As for women being women, why can't they be more than women? I often see posters state that women need to be women and to that I ask, what is a woman? That role is not anything that it use to be. And that isn't a bad thing.
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The poster you were responding to has a valid point of view, whether you can see it or not.
I am all for freedom of speech, just as the Founding Fathers were. The ability to redress grievances against the government is one of the fundamental pillars of our free society. Freedom of assembly, speech, etc. are all vital in my view.
However most people accept that there are things beyond the pale, such as child porn for example. Sure there are a few wackos who think it and everything a vile sick mind can conjure up should be allowed. Thankfully, most people in our society believe there are limits, especially toward things that are not related to freedom of political or religious thought.
These violent games on the other hand do not only lack any redeeming social value, they hardly can be considered a freedom of speech issue. So while the FF's couldn't have envisioned such things as TV, movies, or portable home video games, I seriously doubt they would have thought "Grand Theft Auto" would be covered under the 1st Amendment.
Regardless, I find it ironic that some of the very people who want to take guns away from law abiding citizens, are equally as passionate about not taking away violent video games from you impressionable kids.
There are actually video games about going into schools and killing kids. What socially redeemable value could that possibly have?
More importantly, these violent images in games where you score more points for being more violent toward innocents (i.e. GTA) certainly are sending the wrong messages to young, impressionable minds in their formative years.
Whether parents realize it or not, by allowing their kids to play such games, they are giving subliminal tacit approval of what is in those games.
I am for violent video games and I am for parents realizing what their children play. I played the original GTA, let me tell you, it was bad back then. Goldeneye, that too was rather violent. My parents somehow allowed that for me at age 10/11. I was about 13/4 for GTA. By the time Vice City came out, I was old enough to play it and realize it was fantasy. Kids today, I'm not sure if they get the difference between say Halo and the real world.
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Women are just as capable of being violent as men are. Mental illness is an equal opportunity employer. Females are just as susceptible to mental illness as males are.
Shooting up schools isn't a women's rights issue, it is a mental health issue. All of the people who do the mass shooting thing have serious problems with the wiring in their brains.
Of course. Women do fight and likely did LONG before the change in women's roles. It just wasn't talked about like it is. I work at a sports stadium and I've heard that women are much more violent than men as they will fight while men wait for the first swing. But mental health knows no bounds.
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Seriously? I spent my entire childhood watching violent movies, playing games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat (Chun Li!). And yes I always played the female character in those games. People who are prone to violence will do it no matter what they are exposed to. If you are violent playing violent video games create an echo chamber in your head. If you aren't, the violence is turned off as soon as you do.
What's different now? Everyone has a camera in their pocket and can share immediately.
Yep, I'm with you. I played wrestling video games on top of Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat as a kid and maybe got into a handful of fights in the 1990's. Granted, not much was like GTA for sometime.
Don't blame video games. Plenty of people play them and don't get violent. And don't blame gender. Plenty of people of both genders don't like Mondays. And don't blame people who want gun control, because the gun control they want is mostly just to keep the guns out of the hands of insane teenagers who don't like Mondays, and their ilk. So who or what should we blame? Maybe nobody or nothing? Some things just happen, and people just keep trying to find reasons for it, but sometimes there really aren't any reasons. At least no reasons that don't defy reason.
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Thankfully, most people in our society believe there are limits, especially toward things that are not related to freedom of political or religious thought.
