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the Bible is just as messed up and there are extreme christians as well.
Really? How many airplanes have Christians hijacked and flown into buildings? How many hostages have Christians taken, and executed? How often do Christians declare "Holy War" and start killing other Christians, or people of other faiths, en mass? How many Christians theocracies are there in the world, and please name the organization of Christians that have killed people in the pursuit of a world-wide christian theocracies. How many clitorectomies have Christians performed, and how many thieves have had body parts chopped off as punishment for violating a Christian law. What part of the world is it where Christian women are required to cover their faces, and what Christian country is it that will execute someone for being a homosexual. What Christian country is it that refuses to allow women to work, drive, or vote and what Christian country is it that requires a woman to have two witnesses before a court will take up her allegation of rape, and where if those she accuses of rape are found not guilty, the woman is executed for adultery?
What Christian country is it that indoctrinates their entire population (from childhood) into their religion, but doesn't bother to teach them to read?
We don't need to hear about Islam from Muslims, nor do we need to read the words from their book. We know them by their fruits, or (if one prefers) their works. We can see the end-result of Islam in the world, in every single country where it is the dominant religion and over a period of hundreds of years. People can say what they like, think what they like and attempt to suppress the speech (and therefore the thoughts) of others as much as they like but the facts of Islam are undeniable to anyone other than those who's judgement is clouded by religious fervor and/or political correctness that they refuse to allow other people to see reality for what it is, instead they persist in trying to force people to believe in a reality that does not exist.
They don't require women to wear burqas and they allow women to drive and fight on the front lines in their Army. No Kurd has ever attacked the US Army or an American. And yes, the Kurds are Muslims.
Well, they don't follow the Koran then. It is like saying millions of Catholics don't go to church, get divorced and practice birth control. This is not an statement on Catholicism. It is a statement on them.
Well One must consider the following passages, when dealing with religious extremists. It seems that written instructions are quite clear.
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When Allah delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder Allah gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
Deuteronomy 20:10-15
When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand Deuteronomy 25:11-12
'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10
Which of these are practiced NOW and by WHOM? This is like reading a history book where people's eyes were gauged. They are just words on paper. They have no relevance to the daily life today. Unfortunately, Koranic verses are carried out every day.
Perhaps it is not even the books which are the problem. Both are very similar, by the way. Perhaps it is the dangerous use of books to justify one's agenda.
Perhaps the problem is not with religion, but with humans allowing this sort of thing to happen.
Islam is a complete socio-ecnomic-policital system. Is Christianity? Read the writings and speeches of Khomeini who founded the first modern Islamic state 40 years ago. He said everything they need to run the country is in the Koran and Islam. The don't need anybody's constitution. What does the Bible say about inheritance, women judges, women bearing witness, what to wear, how many times to pray, what to eat, etc. etc. I am not saying people are not responsible but when you see countries thousands of miles and hundreds of years apart look the same after going under the banner of Islam, what other conclusion can you draw?
I want to write a new passage into the amended, the world is getting pissed off at primitive barbarians version of my religious book I wrote to bring some order to the world.
'On the seventh day, the ruler of the sky sayeth that when goat banging maniacs runeth around the ancient lands acting like insane nut jobs that are raping, killing and raising hell for no other reason than they are armed mentally ill sociopaths. Thou nations with devastating and nuclear weapons shall be granted permission to unleash thy wrath will the dropping of said strategic nuclear solution. And then peace be to all.'
I am a conservative voter although I do not drink the CoolAid.
If you were to listen to the so-called conservative media (Fox News etc), you would think that most Muslims are either terrorists or going to Mosques to train terrorists.
This is certainly not the case. 99% of the practicing Muslims in the world (around 3 billion of them) are what we would consider normal folks. It's the 1% of bad apples that are spoiling the bunch.
The KKK consider themselves Christians, does that mean all churches are going to indoctrinate our kids into Klansmen?
I understand the fear people have towards what they see in the media.
My suggestion is to visit a Mosque and see for yourselves the commitment Muslims have for their God (and profit) and ask yourselves if you would do the same for Jesus. I doubt it. It's hard as hell in my opinion to live a Muslim life. All their rules, prayers, fasting, cutting out certain food, etc etc. It takes commitment and a serious amount of time management.
Media corps exist to sensationalize the news. That's how they sell advertising which is how they pay their shareholders. When you see these sensational stories, just keep in mind that there are 99% other stories out there that are positive, good, and wholesome that never get told (because they don't sell ads).
Islam is a complete socio-ecnomic-policital system. Is Christianity? Read the writings and speeches of Khomeini who founded the first modern Islamic state 40 years ago. He said everything they need to run the country is in the Koran and Islam. The don't need anybody's constitution. What does the Bible say about inheritance, women judges, women bearing witness, what to wear, how many times to pray, what to eat, etc. etc. I am not saying people are not responsible but when you see countries thousands of miles and hundreds of years apart look the same after going under the banner of Islam, what other conclusion can you draw?
It is not quite as simple as that. There is no one group that encomposes all people that profess to perform Islam. Each group is further apart from the others than Christianity is from Judaism. In fact there is more differences between a Shi'ite of the Twelver sect and a Sunni of the Hanafi Madhab then there is between a Southern Baptist Christian and a Chassidic Jew.
In the very loosest meaning of Islam it is the act of worshiping God and every one who worships God is a Muslim. So in the broadest sense every monotheistic person is a Muslim.
That can be more refined by saying that Islam is the worship of God in accordance with the Qur'an. That cuts it down to fewer groups. If we state a Muslim is anyyone who considers the Qur'an to be sacred scripture to be followed at least partially then that would include:
Sunni
Shi'ite
Deobandi
Non-Sunni Sufi (different from Sunni that practice Sufi'ism)
NOI (Nation of Islam)
Baha'i
Sikh
Ismaili
Yazidi
Possibly some Christian denominations
Relating to the post. Khomeni was an Ayatollah of the Twelver sect of Shi'a which is less than 10% of the world's Muslims. And almost exclusive to Iran. Almost half of the World's Shi'a live in Iran and very few if any twelvers are found outside of Iran.
To further define Islam you will have at least the following groups:
Qur'an only who generally do not identify with any group
and
Those who follow the Quran and a Madhab: that ends up with possibly hundreds of groups but the majorly being Sunni and Shi'ite with each of them divided into divisions. Then you have Wahabbi which is a form of Islam that developed in Hijaz in the Mid-1800s today it is what is nearly always seen on the media.as being Islam. The least radical form of Wahabbi is what is found in Saudi, the most extreme is ISIS and midway between is what the media calls al-Qaeda.
While Islam could be depicted as a complete socioeconomic system, it is not unified and there is nocentral leader. Most of us do not perceive any unified Islam until Jesus(a.s.) returns and establishes the next and final Caliphate at which time Jesus(a.s.) and the Maehdi will destroy the anti-Christ along with his followers and the world will be 100% Muslim. We do not expect that to occur until shortly before Judgement day.
I do not see or have heard any news that Jesus(a.s.) and the Mehdi are walking the Earth, therefore there can not be a Caliphate yet. The last Caliphate ended with the fall of the Ottoman's but there have only been 4 righteous caliphates and they occurred within 50 years of the death of Muhammad(saws)
An interesting thing about the 49 Islamic Nations up until after the end of WW2 nearly all of them were either a colony or protectorate of a Western nation. Only the Arab nations and Iran have a significant Hisltory of self rule. Even then Saudi Arabia did not become a Country until 1932
It is not quite as simple as that. There is no one group that encomposes all people that profess to perform Islam.
True, but doesn't address the point I am making. The concept of an Islamic state, aka, Caliphate, is not new. They had it from day 1 for a thousand years on and off. It is this tradition that inspires ISIS. They are not making it up. No matter where or when a group of people take over a country in the name of Islam, they institute policies that are remarkably similar. Why? Because they read from the same playbook. This is what they all do.
-Create a morality police to enforce Islamic laws and harass people.
-Harass and assault women in everything from what they wear to how they look.
-Harass stores and businesses that are "un-islamic". Ban alcohol, music, movies. They do it in Raqqa, they do it in Tehran, they do it in Kabul. Coincidence? They don't even speak the same language. What do they have in common?
I can go on but you get the point. There is something in the water.
Comparing these people to animals is an insult to animals. 'Savages' I would agree with.
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