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I am sorry to hear they all died. I am sad they (I guess) had never taken not only a swimming lesson but a water safety course. Perhaps that should be mandatory at all schools. I won't say these people should be up for Darwin awards posthumously but I do understand the temptation for some to do so. It is too bad though that even bright people can be so careless - as shown by the person getting onto the slippery rock and the bunch of them being there in the first place if they knew they could not swim. We have enough dangers in life without succumbing to this type of thing that could have been easily prevented.
Water is everywhere, even if you don't have a pool, a lake/river in your back yard or live by the ocean. Unless you never leave your house, you will encounter it outside of the faucet at some point in your life. We learn how to walk to move around on the ground. We should all learn how to at least stay afloat on water - but more importantly perhaps, we should learn some very simple rules about being around the water, even if we don't intend to enter it.
I made sure that even my dog (who hates water and avoids it in anything deeper than a puddle) could swim when he was a pup and we first visited someone with a swimming pool. Didn't take long - with him, I just (gently) threw him in and he made it back to the side just fine. I never made him do that again but I know he could if need be. Perhaps that will come in handy if we ever have to go to the top of our house and be rescued if there is flooding - who knows.
My children were introduced to the basics of water safety when they were babies in the bathtub. They learned to hold their breath, and not panic if a (relatively large for them, brother initiated) wave came their way or they slipped under the water for a second. They all attended swimming lessons (which ALL included at least basic safety lessons for self and how to rescue others if need be, even at the most elementary levels, before the kids even entered the water) as soon as they were able to go - though I never did the 'baby classes' sort of thing.
No guarantees any of that will be enough of course, and especially worrisome are the years when a semi-adult is on their own and doing perhaps less than smart things. In my case .. that was 'sky-diving' (and a badly broken ankle ensued - but I was lucky that was the worst consequence). And my sister, who could swim, was mowed down by a drunk person driving a boat. Can't prevent everything, but, this particular accident did NOT 'need' to happen and that is sad.
Jesus Christ people! 1 woman fell while taking a selfie. 4 people jumped into save her and all died trying.
Darwin award? Oh we are so much better sitting behind a computer we can mock their deaths! Just...Jesus Christ!
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Nobody is mocking there deaths, only the story. You seem to post a lot of comments about how threads shouldn't be here and people are wrong for posting in them.
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Im just sharing my opinions like everyone else...and I am allowed to have them.
"your opinion" is that everyone else is mocking there deaths. That is inaccurate. Nobody had mocked there deaths up to that point.
I'm usually skeptical and this is another time. I don't understand how one person goes in who can't swim, so 4 other people go in to help, who also can't swim.
give it a few days, pratyusha will be investigated..
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It was added because A. they were engineering students & B. they were all 3rd year engineering students at the same school. That's a pretty large number of people to die at the same time from that field of study at that university.
It's called, they were trying to save her. I suppose you'd just stand on the banks watching, eh?
Because they were trying to save her. What's hard to understand about this story?
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No, but four people suddenly forget they can't swim. If it was that easy to just do, wouldn't the first girl have figured it out? Instead four people ..... forget?? That they can't swim..
At some point, theres no possible positive outcome for running into a burning building.
Do you just believe everything you are told?
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Do you? People drowned, why are you getting technical about it? Just move on.
You quoted me, and didn't respond to what I said, then tell me to "just move on"
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Shrug, people don't know how to fly but they walk on bridges, go skydiving, bungee jumping, ziplining, climb trees, etc etc etc etc every single day.
People go skydiving with parachutes, bungee jumping with bungees, ziplining with a zipline, climb trees knowing gravity will take them to the ground. You are comparing apples to oranges.
They also likely panicked. Stories like this are not entirely uncommon and it's happened here in the US as well.
Also people may think they can just go a little ways to help someone but then can't make it the short distance back.
Also, as I noted in a post that got orphaned, many people of their almost certainly higher status in India do not know how to swim due to cultural influences and views. They lose over 100k people a year to drowning.
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The edges are quite steep...also there may have been a drainage grate or something that held them under. These kids were 18-20. How sad for their families.
They were just young adults/old kids out having fun and making some poor choices...which is sadly common...I know that, I have kids their ages who are "adventurous" as I was at that age.
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All four of the boys "tumbled in"?
And why would you find it odd they removed their clothes - pretty much anyone jumping into water to swim to save someone removes a bunch of their clothes quickly. Everyone knows wet clothes are heavy. No-one is going to try to swim in full clothes and jeans (that's if they have swum before - which their families seem to say they had).
I guess if the police have the same credulity as you they are just going to take the survivor's word at face value. If these kids didn't know how to swim, then the survivor's account would be more plausible. As it is, based on the few facts in the papers, alternatives should be pursued.
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Going into an abandoned quarry that was closed off and illegal to enter, where there is water 80 feet deep and nowhere to stand, and obviously couldn't swim...
I am a skeptical person. To me its more reasonable to believe that 1 person did something shady, then 5 people WHO KNEW HOW TO SWIM, all forgot how, or weren't able to.
I am a skeptical person. To me its more reasonable to believe that 1 person did something shady, then 5 people WHO KNEW HOW TO SWIM, all forgot how, or weren't able to.
People who know how to swim drown all the time. It has nothing to do with forgetting how to swim.
We don't know that for sure...people die all the time from drowning who can swim. I saw a man who jumped in to rescue his dog who couldn't swim. He didn't realize how deep it was. One step and he was in over his head.
If the depth of the water is relevant, it means you can't swim.
People who know how to swim drown all the time. It has nothing to do with forgetting how to swim.
Firstly, it was a reservoir in warm country. There's no riptide, there's no hypothermia, there's no evidence there was a huge storm whipping up waves, there is no current, no evidence of drinking, close to the shore and not far away from it.
Its simplistic just to say people who know how to swim drown all the time when there are so many of those circumstances that don't apply here.
There is a good chance that either there's something wrong with the report that they knew how to swim, or there is something else going on here.
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