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Old 03-17-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Possibly when a relative adopts they aren't as diligent? Say an aunt adopts her nieces when her sister passes?
Was the youngest child in this story a relative?
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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Because we don't check on non-adopted children every six months. If the kids were approved, then the adoption goes through, they are now the legal children of their parents.

If that child was placed in an unfit home, then someone didn't do their job. And "more money" won't fix the problem. Accountability will. If we punished the government worker than approve this adoption for not doing their job properly, a lot less of this would happen. But there's no incentive for a government employee to do a good job. They still get their raise. They still get their bonus. They still get to keep their job. I'm not just a customer, I'm also the employer. And I should be able to fire that employee if they don't do their job.
I actually agree with most of this.

However, let's imagine a situation where we "punished" adoption workers for approving couples for adoption who later turned out to be unfit. Try to imagine the outcome.

I suspect that the response would be to never approve a couple for adoption again. Why take any risk at all?

Incentives and accountability are great things. However, you have to understand that the consequences may be something other than what you imagine.

There is a bottom line to all of this. While I hate to accept it, the reality is that as long as there are parents there will be some cases of child abuse and neglect. I think our best response is to do much of what society already does. Simply "fine tune" the response. Make these actions criminal. Prosecute people who break these laws and put them in jail. Require people to report suspected cases of child abuse. Make the failure to report a crime as well. Also, allow for civil cases as well. Let those harmed by child abuse and neglect bring a lawsuit for damages against those who abuse them when they get older. Let them bring a suit against those who failed to report abuse or neglect when they observed it. Offer parenting classes. Require those who have neglected children to attend child care workshops and supervise them regularly. When they move from state to state, keep track them through a database.

Abuse and neglect are vexing problems. They cannot easily be fixed.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Why doesn't a government employee inspect adoptive homes periodically after the adoption?
Because for every adopted child this happens to there are probably 10000 children with biological parents it happens to. People who go through the rigors of adoption are usually ready to be parents.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:40 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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There are two reasons adopting is so difficult in America.

#1.. There is a shortage of kids. Everyone wants a baby, and you only stay a baby for a few months.
#2.. Orphanages are not what you think!

Read up, and be uplifted! Here's ours in Mississippi.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national...ssippi/371906/
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Poor girl..........
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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Only if someone approaches it from an ignorant and emotional perspective. If one approaches it from a rational and informed standpoint, no.
Here's my rationale:

I don't care if they are mentally ill. They should be put down like a dog.

Ignorant =allowing those disgusting sickos to take another breath.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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There must be mental illness present on the part of the parents for this to have occurred. They even nailed the bedroom window shut from the outside, so the kids couldn't get out for food or help. One way or another, both parents (now divorced) should be institutionalized; whether in prison or in a mental hospital, if they still have ones for long-term patients.
You could say that anyone who commits any type of crime is mentally ill. But the fact that they nailed the windows shut so the kids couldn't get out, implies that they knew exactly what they were doing. They weren't so mentally ill that they couldn't function, plan things and premeditate what they were going to do.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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How do people get approved for adoption? How could the couple get approved for the youngest child (4 yrs old at the time of the kids' discovery) after years of severely neglecting the older two? There had been a history of chronic absences from school, it said.
It's truly horrific!

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Old 03-17-2017, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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She'd been homeschooled for at least the current academic year. Prior to homeschooling, she and her brother had been missing school.
That should have been the first clue something wasn't right!
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Why doesn't a government employee inspect adoptive homes periodically after the adoption?
Because that costs money, and people would rather have their money spent on other things.

Like wars and espionage.
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