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Old 06-21-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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How about charging the wealthy criminals and the money would go directly towards upgrading the standards for all inmates in jail instead of just those few special ones?
I think that's a good idea. Rich people should pay for all costs of their incarceration if they want to go to a nicer facility PLUS pay the cost of one inmate in the regular facilities. That extra "luxury tax" would be spent at the regular facilities to improve conditions.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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That's been the case for a while already. Be working class and steal $10,000 = "hard" time. Affluent and steal $10,000,000 = relax at "Club Fed". Kind of like poor people who steal something are thieves who need jail, and rich people who steal are "kleptomaniacs" who need treatment.
^^This!
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Madoff is in Butner, NC. http://abcnews.go.com/US/bernie-mado...ry?id=36552841

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/bu.../15madoff.html

In medium security place. He caused so much calamity to so many people. Pathetic.

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Old 06-21-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Just google a picture of what a prison cell in Norway looks like. The problem with US is that we want to punish the criminals to "hard times" instead of rehabbing them so they don't come back.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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I think that's a good idea. Rich people should pay for all costs of their incarceration if they want to go to a nicer facility PLUS pay the cost of one inmate in the regular facilities. That extra "luxury tax" would be spent at the regular facilities to improve conditions.
Improve conditions??? Prison shouldn't be a vacation destination. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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Improve conditions??? Prison shouldn't be a vacation destination. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
No, not a vacation, just a safe place where they have a chance of being rehabilitated. Where they have competent counseling, therapy, education and trade training opportunities, etc.

These are people who will be let back out on the street someday. They will be able to work with me and my loved ones, live on the same street, hang out at the same park. I would hope they were rehabilitated so they will be less likely to reoffend, especially on someone I love.
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Old 06-21-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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She was taken to a hospital where doctors verified she was literally dying. Are you really going to argue with medical professionals? I suppose to you, lying is some contagious disease that the doctor's caught, so now you can't believe them either Being a con and being sick aren't mutually exclusive.


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No need to eyeroll, we can be adults here.

My point is that ALL inmates are cons. People don't accidentally end up in prison because of an expired license (first red flag).

It is so much easier to send an inmate to the hospital than to turn them down and have an issue pop up later. Much easier. Correction Officers have no skin in the game and have absolutely NO reason not to send someone who is sick.

It is impossible to believe every single correction officer in her prison refused her request for medical care.

If she was literally dying, someone would have figured it out before she got there on her deathbed.

I worked with thousands of inmates. They all lie.
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Old 06-21-2017, 06:42 PM
 
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Oh year correction "officers" are a bunch of angels, aren't they?

https://www.aclu.org/blog/aclu-lens-...s-county-jails

Ex-deputy details culture of abuse in L.A. County jail - LA Times

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2891602
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Old 06-21-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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Everyone in prison is treated humanely. The lawyers and the ACLU make sure of that. The more upscale inmates pay for different accommodation with their own money, which will lessen the tax burden for tax payers. The money they spend stimulates local economy. This is really a win-win for everyone.
I laughed so hard I almost vomited. No one could really believe this....right?
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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No need to eyeroll, we can be adults here.
My point is that ALL inmates are cons. People don't accidentally end up in prison because of an expired license (first red flag).
It is so much easier to send an inmate to the hospital than to turn them down and have an issue pop up later. Much easier. Correction Officers have no skin in the game and have absolutely NO reason not to send someone who is sick.
It is impossible to believe every single correction officer in her prison refused her request for medical care.
If she was literally dying, someone would have figured it out before she got there on her deathbed.
I worked with thousands of inmates. They all lie.
My guess is that she was in jail not in prison..but for you to say things like that don't happen is peculiar because there are hundreds if not thousands of well documented cases..

Probably the most well known is Plata v Brown the case that resulted in California's prison health system being put under federal receivership and the state being ordered to release 40,000 inmates. Read the summaries of the stories of some of the plaintiffs in the case: https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs...-0018-0004.pdf

The private medical staff that cares for inmates inside the Arapahoe County Detention Facility allowed a 37-year-old man to die on the floor of his cell in a pool of blood and vomit after ignoring his rapidly declining health, according to a federal lawsuit filed this week. Family sues Arapahoe County, private health care contractor for 2014 jail death – The Denver Post

Months after he landed in Florida’s Manatee County Jail, Jovon Frazier’s pleas for treatment of intense pain in his left shoulder were met mostly with Tylenol. “I need to see a doctor!” he wrote on his eighth request form. “I done put a lot of sick calls in & ya’ll keep sending me back and ain’t tell me nothing.” Four months later, after Frazier’s 13th request resulted in hospitalization and doctors diagnosed bone cancer, his arm was amputated, according to a lawsuit by his family. But the cancer spread. Frazier died in 2011 at age 21, months after his release. As an inmate, his medical care had been managed not by the county sheriff’s office that runs the jail, but by a private company under contract. Country's biggest for-profit prisoner health care provider under increased scrutiny | Business | stltoday.com

An inmate who said a Santa Barbara County Jail deputy forced him to carry heavy items following his hernia surgery and denied him proper medical care afterward is suing the county Sheriff’s Office and jail staff for medical malpractice...Robert Eldon alleged that the weight of the property box, mattress, and bedroll he was forced to carry to his jail cell caused surgical mesh to rip and move in his abdomen. Circulation to his right testicle was cut off, causing it to swell to the “size of a melon,” he stated. Medical care was denied to him several times between June 13 and July 21, 2016, Eldon alleged. Eldon said in the lawsuit that he was denied treatment for his testicle, and a nurse with Corizon Health denied him the pain medication he was prescribed following the surgery, instead giving him Tylenol.

In a similar lawsuit filed on Jan. 9 in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, inmate Larry Marvin alleges he was denied anti-rejection medical for his newly-transplanted kidney. The kidney was rejected, according to the complaint. Lawsuit alleges Santa Barbara County Jail denied inmate medical care | News | Santa Maria Sun, CA

So, maybe you worked in a great jail where everyone received the best medical care, but it's certainly not that way everywhere, so maybe some 'eye rolling' is in order.
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