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And, the toxicology test did not reveal any drugs in Orbeso’s system whatsoever. There is no way that a trace amount of medical marijuana in her system, could have contributed to what happened. Even if they were both smoking weed and doing hallucinogens, it wouldn't have contributed to their deaths. If that's the way drugs work, 1 out of 10 Californians would already be dead.
This was just a tragic accident that could happen to any inexperienced hikers.
And, the toxicology test did not reveal any drugs in Orbeso’s system whatsoever. There is no way that a trace amount of medical marijuana in her system, could have contributed to what happened. Even if they were both smoking weed and doing hallucinogens, it wouldn't have contributed to their deaths. If that's the way drugs work, 1 out of 10 Californians would already be dead.
This was just a tragic accident that could happen to any inexperienced hikers.
Doing hallucinogens in 110 degree heat is different than doing them in your living room so yes it could have contributed in my opinion.
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And, the toxicology test did not reveal any drugs in Orbeso’s system whatsoever. There is no way that a trace amount of medical marijuana in her system, could have contributed to what happened. Even if they were both smoking weed and doing hallucinogens, it wouldn't have contributed to their deaths. If that's the way drugs work, 1 out of 10 Californians would already be dead.
This was just a tragic accident that could happen to any inexperienced hikers.
Do you at least agree that this was a murder-suicide, as the coroner has ruled?
Which happens sometimes, when couples break up and one wants very much to get back together, and has put effort into getting back together but has been rejected.
Doing hallucinogens in 110 degree heat is different than doing them in your living room so yes it could have contributed in my opinion.
True, but neither actually had hallucinogens in their system according to the autopsy. I'm unaware that having hallucinogenic mushrooms only stashed in one's backpack contributes to the risk of dying.
I was hoping there would be further information about the incident, that would help resolve the mystery, but what little info has been added, doesn't help. I notice the article did say that the family is holding onto the interpretation that the two got lost or disoriented, and the murder/suicide was a mercy killing on his part, while authorities feel the possibility of a breakup-related murder is not off the table. And apparently they didn't have drugs in their system, so that wouldn't explain why they wandered quite obviously off-trail.
I don't see any other explanation, though, for why they'd wander into what was quite clearly badlands-type of terrain, if it weren't a setup on his part. The article did say they were only two miles from their car. It doesn't make sense that they'd have thought that salvation somehow lay in leaving the trail area, even if it were a poorly-marked trail, and clambering over boulders. There's a missing puzzle piece there, still. Not to mention the fact that he chose to bring a gun in the first place.
Do you at least agree that this was a murder-suicide, as the coroner has ruled?
Which happens sometimes, when couples break up and one wants very much to get back together, and has put effort into getting back together but has been rejected.
But if this was the scenario why would they then be going on this remote hike together (following the breakup)?
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But if this was the scenario why would they then be going on this remote hike together (following the breakup)?
It was her birthday celebration, and she went with him as a "friend", but during the time they were broken up his friend said he was very focused on winning her back.
I think there were two sides to him. The side that was sweet and gentle, and caring, and the side that was obsessed with his love for her and that drove him to murder her and kill himself.
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I was hoping there would be further information about the incident, that would help resolve the mystery, but what little info has been added, doesn't help. I notice the article did say that the family is holding onto the interpretation that the two got lost or disoriented, and the murder/suicide was a mercy killing on his part, while authorities feel the possibility of a breakup-related murder is not off the table. And apparently they didn't have drugs in their system, so that wouldn't explain why they wandered quite obviously off-trail.
I don't see any other explanation, though, for why they'd wander into what was quite clearly badlands-type of terrain, if it weren't a setup on his part. The article did say they were only two miles from their car. It doesn't make sense that they'd have thought that salvation somehow lay in leaving the trail area, even if it were a poorly-marked trail, and clambering over boulders. There's a missing puzzle piece there, still. Not to mention the fact that he chose to bring a gun in the first place.
That. I know nobody in the family wants to believe he tricked her into going to that remote location to kill her and himself, but I'm really struggling to see it otherwise. I really don't see how we'll ever know more than they know now. It seems if there was a suicide note or a witness, or some other clue, they'd know it by now.
It was her birthday celebration, and she went with him as a "friend", but during the time they were broken up his friend said he was very focused on winning her back.
I think there were two sides to him. The side that was sweet and gentle, and caring, and the side that was obsessed with his love for her and that drove him to murder her and kill himself.
I missed that detail. Can you provide a link? I don't remember that coming up earlier in the thread. That's an important detail, that would tend to support the murder motive.
That. I know nobody in the family wants to believe he tricked her into going to that remote location to kill her and himself, but I'm really struggling to see it otherwise. I really don't see how we'll ever know more than they know now. It seems if there was a suicide note or a witness, or some other clue, they'd know it by now.
Same here.
We know it's already been argued back and forth in this thread, but I've never heard of a scenario where someone took a gun on a hike with an ex, and then killed that ex as a form of 'mercy' in addition to killing himself. That stuff happens in the movies.
Like I said, hey, if the families want to believe that to give them closure, so be it, but many of us think it's a murder/suicide because he couldn't win her back.
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