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And there are also no comments saying that he was interested in getting her back.
You have to stretch it, but his friend Andrew Young's statement indicates - to me - that he was. "He wasn't trying to push a relationship" to me means he wanted one but was willing to soft pedal it while he "really liked doing nice things for her".
We're all reading between the lines here, looking at the same puzzle pieces, and that's what I come up with.
That he couldn't bear to live without her so he shot her and then himself. That's what I'm coming up with, considering the hell that Joshua Tree was at that time, where they were FAR OFF the trail, in naked embrace.
That's the opinion I end up with.
When you see a headline saying "murder suicide", it's a man killing a woman he wants and then killing himself.
Yes, you really do have to stretch it a lot to come to such a conclusion from the given quote. He did nice things for her because they were friends. That is what friends do. Sorry that you don't have any such experiences in your own life, but someone being nice to you doesn't automatically mean they want to have a relationship with you or murder you in a jealous (years long) rage.
Yes, you really do have to stretch it a lot to come to such a conclusion from the given quote. He did nice things for her because they were friends. That is what friends do. Sorry that you don't have any such experiences in your own life, but someone being nice to you doesn't automatically mean they want to have a relationship with you or murder you in a jealous (years long) rage.
What an odd thing to say, Sunday.
And I don't think you have to stretch it that much - at all - to read between the lines that he's saying he wanted to be with her but was willing to take a long approach and not an aggressive one.
But anyway, wow that got ugly in a hurry, outta nowhere. :-/
Law enforcement agencies issue corrections to media reports all the time. Especially if they feel they are being misquoted.
Yes, and when it comes to murder they really don't just leave off the investigation in order to spare the family's feelings. Maybe in the Middle Ages or in some rural town in the 1700s with a population of 40 but definitely not with current forensics. With murder, an answer is warranted, even if the person can't be prosecuted (in this case because he's dead). There are cold files dating back decades that took a decade or more to be let go of...murder is serious stuff (obviously) and the law doesn't gently leave it alone so nobody's feelings get hurt.
Where have you seen that? All I've seen is Andrew's statement, that he didn't want to "push the relationship" and "he really wanted to do nice things for her".
I haven't seen a comment that he wasn't interested in getting her back. Do you still have a link to that?
I haven't seen the comment that he WAS interested in getting her back. Do you still have a link to that?
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Orbeso and Nguyen had dated but most recently were friends,
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“He saw her socially and wasn’t going to push the relationship,” Young said. “He just wanted to do thoughtful things for her. He was never aggressive. He was the most respectful man I know.”
This shows NO indication that he was trying to get her back. BTW, that link was yours.
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“I’m not aware of anyone coming forward to offer information that Rachel was in any danger or that there was anything planned to cause harm to her,” [Bachman] said.
You have to stretch it, but his friend Andrew Young's statement indicates - to me - that he was. "He wasn't trying to push a relationship" to me means he wanted one but was willing to soft pedal it while he "really liked doing nice things for her".
No, what it shows is that the hysterical rumors were already flying about how obviously this guy somehow planned to have her suggest (???) they go into a remote area so he could shoot her (YEARS after they were no longer even lightly dating), and he was responding to suggestions that were already made, unfounded, that he was a currently rejected lover. So he was saying that he WASN'T trying to push for a relationship.
Yes, and when it comes to murder they really don't just leave off the investigation in order to spare the family's feelings. Maybe in the Middle Ages but definitely not with current forensics. With murder, an answer is warranted, even if the person can't be prosecuted (in this case because he's dead). There are cold files dating back decades that took a decade or more to be let go of...murder is serious stuff (obviously) and the law doesn't gently leave it alone so nobody's feelings get hurt.
Exactly, you can make an argument that the families just can't accept the truth, but the police investigators are a neutral third party. They don't care one way or the other. They are just trying to find out what happened. They are used to telling people that their family member murdered somebody, if that is what happened.
We know it's already been argued back and forth in this thread, but I've never heard of a scenario where someone took a gun on a hike with an ex, and then killed that ex as a form of 'mercy' in addition to killing himself. That stuff happens in the movies.
Like I said, hey, if the families want to believe that to give them closure, so be it, but many of us think it's a murder/suicide because he couldn't win her back.
I was hoping some info might be forthcoming from a family member or friend. Like the family member who mentioned during the search, that the guy said he was taking a gun, because his ex had been stalked lately. That type of detail from a conversation, a comment he might have made, that sort of thing.
But the family isn't saying anything, except that they believe there was no angry motive, only a wish to end their suffering.
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