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Yes, he did. And prosecutors will offer sweetheart deals like that to save their own face. The prosecutor, I'm certain, has zero interest putting a blubbering broken grandpa on the stand and tossing this case to a jury.
The prosecutor also has no interest in backing down, and dropping the charges.
He's in a no win situation here.
And meanwhile, it appears RC has reworked the area where Chloe fell, for the apparent purpose of making it safer. So there's that. I don't know what changes they've made to the observation area.
Speculation or do you have something to back that up?
As for a 'blubbering broken grandpa', he doesn't seem to be garnering much sympathy, or even much belief in the court of social media. I don't think it would be much different with an actual jury, although I'm sure the defense will try to seat as sympathetic a jury as they can.
Yep. And from what I understand, the prosecutor has offered a lesser charge and no jail time if the grandpa admits responsibility.
I do think he should take responsibility. I wonder how much of it is denial, though - not being able to face that he killed his granddaughter? Or fear that if he says it is his fault and not the cruise line's, the baby's parents will turn their anger toward him instead of the cruise line? It's a horrible situation to be in for everyone involved.
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I do think he should take responsibility. I wonder how much of it is denial, though - not being able to face that he killed his granddaughter? Or fear that if he says it is his fault and not the cruise line's, the baby's parents will turn their anger toward him instead of the cruise line? It's a horrible situation to be in for everyone involved.
I completely agree. Just horrible. What a loss of that sweet child.
They all have some fault in this. The parents are probably mad at themselves because they left the kid in the hands of the step grandfather. I did not see a single other family member in the area. Both sets of grandparents were on the cruise. Plus the parents. Well the grandfather in the case is a step grandfather.
If another person was around, would have probably told him that it was not a good idea to put that child up on the railing in front of an open window.
And what if this guy just snapped and did it on purpose?
The judge on Thursday also ordered the cruise line to respond within five days to the plaintiff’s assertions that the company did not produce video from some cameras on the ship.
After a federal judge denied a motion by Royal Caribbean Cruises to dismiss the lawsuit filed by the family of an Indiana toddler who fell to her death off a cruise ship, the company said it would refile the motion.
A judge in the Southern District of Florida told the company it could do so if it limited its arguments to "the four corners of the Plaintiff's complaint."
Jonathon Fishman, a manager of corporate reputation for Royal Caribbean said the cruise line's lawyers would adjust the motion and submit it again in the "upcoming days."
Royal Caribbean Cruises had sought to end the federal civil action by Indiana residents Alan and Kim Wiegand, whose 18-month-old daughter, Chloe, suffered a fatal fall on July 7 from the ship Freedom of the Seas.
Both the cruise line's motion to dismiss and U.S. District Judge Donald Graham's ruling were expected. Both sides still have a long way to go in exchanging evidence before any judgment can be made, according to the judge.
"The parties have exchanged very little in terms of discovery and catapulting this case past the discovery phase would require the plaintiffs to defend the merits of their case prematurely and without essential evidence," Graham wrote.
They all have some fault in this. The parents are probably mad at themselves because they left the kid in the hands of the step grandfather. I did not see a single other family member in the area. Both sets of grandparents were on the cruise. Plus the parents. Well the grandfather in the case is a step grandfather.
If another person was around, would have probably told him that it was not a good idea to put that child up on the railing in front of an open window.
And what if this guy just snapped and did it on purpose?
The cruise line has zero fault in this, in my opinion.
The cruise line has zero fault in this, in my opinion.
Only one person is at fault, the GF.
Civil law is riddled with cases that presumably were zero fault but a plaintiff prevailed. You’re dealing with juries ruled by emotion who ignore facts. Once again out of court settlement.
I should say that by "they all" - I meant the family. Well except for the other kids.
Ah, got it.
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Civil law is riddled with cases that presumably were zero fault but a plaintiff prevailed. You’re dealing with juries ruled by emotion who ignore facts. Once again out of court settlement.
Do not disagree with that, have read some crazy stuff, also have encountered some crazy view points regarding such things, I can just imagine them sitting on these juries.
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Civil law is riddled with cases that presumably were zero fault but a plaintiff prevailed. You’re dealing with juries ruled by emotion who ignore facts. Once again out of court settlement.
Family lawyer is grasping for the crumbs. He will get plenty, the family may see a settlement on paper, but they will get little (if any).
Grandpa may 'feel' a slight personal relief with him presuming RCL was culpable (in a tiny way). Tho most of of consider not the fault of RCL.
Family is just going through he motions, trying to save face.
Their attorney... milking the cow, feeding at the pig-trough.
Bad situation for RCL.
All of us will suffer the consequences. (more rules, less freedom, higher costs.)
Granddaughter, Bro, and parents suffered the most. Her death will always be with them. (Money or not)
Grandpa will likely 'check-out' sooner than later... abandoned by family, friends, or self.
Sad ending for all.
Poor choices?... many.
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