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What I mean about it could happen to any of us is that an accident with a child could happen to any of us. Turn your head a minute, the kid runs in the street or down the street. I've had times in my own house where a kid was here one minute, blink, they're gone. My daughter used to quietly run then climb things. She broke her leg in 3 places climbing her fathers Harley when he turned his head. She came home with a velcro cast, climbed up the desk. I grabbed her as she and the monitor were about to fall.
One of her friends are doing a few years because he got into a car accident where his youngest daughter died.
But it wasn't an accident like you describe here. He didn't turn his head while she climbed up a chair and fell out a window. It wasn't a blink and they're off and running moment. He picked her off the ground and held her out a window 11 stories above a concrete pier.
And if a friend was sentenced to several years in prison for a car accident, he was most likely under the influence or doing something else that was highly negligent that caused a deadly crash. Not a situation most people find themselves in by accident.
That was a choice, as was the events that lead to Chloe's death. That is why people are saying it would never happen to them. Most people know they are not going to do anything so reckless with a child. I know I would never hold a child out an 11 story window. I probably wouldn't even hold a phone out a window that heigh in fear that I might drop it.
But it wasn't an accident like you describe here. He didn't turn his head while she climbed up a chair and fell out a window. It wasn't a blink and they're off and running moment. He picked her off the ground and held her out a window 11 stories above a concrete pier.
And if a friend was sentenced to several years in prison for a car accident, he was most likely under the influence or doing something else that was highly negligent that caused a deadly crash. Not a situation most people find themselves in by accident.
That was a choice, as was the events that lead to Chloe's death. That is why people are saying it would never happen to them. Most people know they are not going to do anything so reckless with a child. I know I would never hold a child out an 11 story window. I probably wouldn't even hold a phone out a window that heigh in fear that I might drop it.
I'm not sure with her friend. He's almost out. It's been a few years.
I'll have to rewatch the video, I don't remember him holding her out the window. I remember him lifting her up to the window. I thought she leaned over and fell out.
The cruise line produced security footage which showed the grandfather, just prior to picking up the kid, leaning out of the window he claimed he thought was closed. So he knew the window was open and dangled her out of it anyway. Entirely his fault, and trying to scapegoat the cruise line won't change that.
What is truly disgusting is that the family filed a response in court to have the new video stricken from the record
I do not like seeing a family who has already lost so much in the life of an infant go through any more pain, but when you push a ridiculous lawsuit in spite of all of the evidence disproving your allegations, you should get what is coming to you. At this point, the family needs to be counter-sued for millions for wasting the court's time and going forward with a frivolous lawsuit (if this hasn't already happened).
He deliberately held a child out an open window 11 stories above a concrete pier. Such actions are reckless.
You cannot accidentally pick a small child up off the ground, hoist her over a guard rail and out an open window. Especially not when you just stuck your head out that same open window moments ago. He did not think through what could happen if he lost his grip. That is the very definition of reckless- without thinking or caring about the consequences of an action.
Splitting hairs, admittedly, but reckless generally comes without deliberation. Carelessness and recklessness are degrees of "could be reasonably expected to know of the danger".
If there's deliberation - "knew of the danger, deliberately did it anyway" - then we're in the "knowingly endangered" territory.
What bothers me in the mentally that leaps from, "OH MY GOD OUR BABY IS DEAD!" to, "Hey, let's see if we can get some money for this!" under the pretense that you're doing it for the safety of others.
What bothers me in the mentally that leaps from, "OH MY GOD OUR BABY IS DEAD!" to, "Hey, let's see if we can get some money for this!" under the pretense that you're doing it for the safety of others.
I agree. If they were only suing to have safety nets installed around the ships then thats one thing, but to try and profit off this is just gross.
I'm not sure with her friend. He's almost out. It's been a few years.
Then why use him as an example of "Oops, sometimes accidents happen!" If he spent several years in prison for a "car accident" it sounds like he was seriously in the wrong and probably charged with something like a felony vehicular homicide. You don't get those kinds of charges for sliding on black ice or some other unavoidable accident.
I'm not sure with her friend. He's almost out. It's been a few years.
I'll have to rewatch the video, I don't remember him holding her out the window. I remember him lifting her up to the window. I thought she leaned over and fell out.
He didn't sit her on the sill - well possibly he did, but he had her outside the window and lost his grip. She may have "wiggled" or moved or something - and probably did, and perhaps that caused him to lose his grip. In any event, just a really totally stupid thing to do. It was an open window, and there is simply no way to deny that he was completely aware of it.
Watch this video (it was posted earlier) closely starting at 39:00. He positioned her so that at least part her body was outside the window. That much is clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMPn...OrgulloBoricua
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This is a long thread. Was there any evidence Grandpa had been drinking? There’s a history of folks falling from high places on cruise ships and killing themselves. A lot of it due to alcohol.
This is a long thread. Was there any evidence Grandpa had been drinking? There’s a history of folks falling from high places on cruise ships and killing themselves. A lot of it due to alcohol.
No, that was speculated, since they were in a bar/lounge area, but if WE all thought of it, very likely the investigators did, too. I don't think there was ever any evidence of that.
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