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Old 12-12-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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I don't think big corporations usually make an offer to "settle" before a lawsuit is filed.

Unless the claim is going to be very small - an item the staff broke, a small injury, etc.

When they get served with the lawsuit is when the depositions and negotiations begin.

They also aren't going to "settle" when demands include changes to the ships. The family wants safety enhancements, and would refuse a settlement that was only about money.

 
Old 12-12-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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No jury trial for this, I don't think. Settlement, if any, will probably occur out of court.
Which case are you speaking of? There is a criminal charge against Grandpa and the family has filed a civil suit.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 03:03 PM
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They also aren't going to "settle" when demands include changes to the ships. The family wants safety enhancements, and would refuse a settlement that was only about money.
I still think they'll settle out of court. Nobody wants to put an image of a baby falling out a window 11 stories up in front of a jury, regardless of whether they think they're at fault.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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I still think they'll settle out of court. Nobody wants to put an image of a baby falling out a window 11 stories up in front of a jury, regardless of whether they think they're at fault.

I agree with you there, but in my opinion the safety changes might make them leery, as if agreeing to them as part of a settlement is akin to agreeing safety changes were in fact needed.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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I hope that they don’t settle as no further safety precautions are needed. You can’t idiot proof everything.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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I agree with you there, but in my opinion the safety changes might make them leery, as if agreeing to them as part of a settlement is akin to agreeing safety changes were in fact needed.
I agree. It's not like the rivets on the steel strips between the window panes gave out, or pushing on a window pane caused it to fall out. He lifted her up and balanced her on a handrail not designed for standing on, and she fell out the window. That's not a safety issue, breach or design flaw. It's human error.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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Has anyone found the full text of the lawsuit? My Google-fu is weak, it appears.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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I agree. It's not like the rivets on the steel strips between the window panes gave out, or pushing on a window pane caused it to fall out. He lifted her up and balanced her on a handrail not designed for standing on, and she fell out the window. That's not a safety issue, breach or design flaw. It's human error.
A handrail set 18 inches inboard of the actual ledge, no less.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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A handrail set 18 inches inboard of the actual ledge, no less.
Exactly.

It would actually take a lot of effort, as well as doing things you're not supposed to be doing, to fall off of a cruise ship.
 
Old 12-13-2019, 07:19 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/us/ro...rnd/index.html

Possible the last photo of Chloe before she fell from the window.

Note the color of the windows.

Those don't look so very tinted, to me.
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