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But then she would have been in the space between the railing and the window, and with her feet dangling, she would not have had anything to leverage herself forward, if he dropped her it would have been down in the space between the railing and window.
People are overanalyzing this. I think the grandfather told a number of untruths and/or halftruths about what happened, but it seems very likely that the very last thing that happened at that window was exactly what he said: he moved her forward (and she leaned forward) to "tap on the glass" (or look out the window, if he knew it was open).
Chloe could have been sitting on the railing or held at his chest for most of the 30+ seconds they were standing there, but at the end, there was a sudden forward thrust on his part and probably on her part as well. Really, that's the only thing that makes sense. He wasn't holding her at arm's length all that time, and she wasn't reaching out for nonexistent glass for over 30 seconds. That happened in a flash right before she fell, and is why he could say "I lifted her up, and in an instant she was gone" and have it be sort of true, at least in his mind. Until those last seconds, she was probably in a reasonably secure position. He lifted her from wherever she had been, moved her toward the window, and in an instant she fell out.
People are overanalyzing this. I think the grandfather told a number of untruths and/or halftruths about what happened, but it seems very likely that the very last thing that happened at that window was exactly what he said: he moved her forward (and she leaned forward) to "tap on the glass" (or look out the window, if he knew it was open).
Chloe could have been sitting on the railing or held at his chest for most of the 30+ seconds they were standing there, but at the end, there was a sudden forward thrust on his part and probably on her part as well. Really, that's the only thing that makes sense. He wasn't holding her at arm's length all that time, and she wasn't reaching out for nonexistent glass for over 30 seconds. That happened in a flash right before she fell, and is why he could say "I lifted her up, and in an instant she was gone" and have it be sort of true, at least in his mind. Until those last seconds, she was probably in a reasonably secure position. He lifted her from wherever she had been, moved her toward the window, and in an instant she fell out.
People are overanalyzing this. I think the grandfather told a number of untruths and/or halftruths about what happened, but it seems very likely that the very last thing that happened at that window was exactly what he said: he moved her forward (and she leaned forward) to "tap on the glass" (or look out the window, if he knew it was open).
Chloe could have been sitting on the railing or held at his chest for most of the 30+ seconds they were standing there, but at the end, there was a sudden forward thrust on his part and probably on her part as well. Really, that's the only thing that makes sense. He wasn't holding her at arm's length all that time, and she wasn't reaching out for nonexistent glass for over 30 seconds. That happened in a flash right before she fell, and is why he could say "I lifted her up, and in an instant she was gone" and have it be sort of true, at least in his mind. Until those last seconds, she was probably in a reasonably secure position. He lifted her from wherever she had been, moved her toward the window, and in an instant she fell out.
The video doesn't show her sitting on the railing or being held at his chest for most of the 30+ seconds.
The video doesn't show her sitting on the railing or being held at his chest for most of the 30+ seconds.
It's true, you can't see her for most of that time. My pet opinion is that she had her feet on the windowsill and he was leaning over holding her at the chest. That position would require a minimum of forward momentum from both of them to send her tumbling out. But there's no way from the current videos to tell for sure. One thing I am pretty sure of is that she was not being held actually outside the plane of the window for any length of time, and I'm basing that on the demeanor of the grandfather. He acted recklessly and like a fool, but not the kind who would endanger the child's life by deliberately putting her outside a window 11 stories up.
It's true, you can't see her for most of that time. My pet opinion is that she had her feet on the windowsill and he was leaning over holding her at the chest. That position would require a minimum of forward momentum from both of them to send her tumbling out. But there's no way from the current videos to tell for sure. One thing I am pretty sure of is that she was not being held actually outside the plane of the window for any length of time, and I'm basing that on the demeanor of the grandfather. He acted recklessly and like a fool, but not the kind who would endanger the child's life by deliberately putting her outside a window 11 stories up.
Your pet opinion then requires that he knew the window was open. Her feet on the windowsill.
I think the video is useful because it shows the railing the entire time.
Your pet opinion then requires that he knew the window was open. Her feet on the windowsill.
I don't see how that follows. The windowsill extended several inches on either side of the glass. You could put a small child's feet on the windowsill of a closed window, and hold her body leaning back against you, without her contacting glass. If you're as oblivious as this grandpa was, it might not even dawn on you that the window was actually open.
I don't see how that follows. The windowsill extended several inches on either side of the glass. You could put a small child's feet on the windowsill of a closed window, and hold her body leaning back against you, without her contacting glass. If you're as oblivious as this grandpa was, it might not even dawn on you that the window was actually open.
I don't think her body was leaning back against the grandfather. We may not have video showing the detail at the window itself, but the video has a constant footage of the railing, and of the grandfather leaning against that rail. The child isn't leaning against him, she's beyond the railing.
I don't think her body was leaning back against the grandfather. We may not have video showing the detail at the window itself, but the video has a constant footage of the railing, and of the grandfather leaning against that rail. The child isn't leaning against him, she's beyond the railing.
From that angle, you can't see enough to determine where she was. All you can really see for most of the time is part of his side. The footage doesn't preclude her leaning against him, standing or sitting on the sill, leaning against him or the railing, being entirely held by him--or dangling out the window, for that matter.
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