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In googling for the original article (about the video): there was this statement:
"Prosecutors are investigating the death and say they have not ruled anything out.
Sgt Jose D. Sanchez, acting head of the San Juan Police Department's Homicide Division, told DailyMail.com : "There are various possibilities. It could be a homicide.
"It could be a murder. It could be an accident. "We are currently in the very early stages of the investigation. "We haven't ruled out any possibility." https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ruise-17937174
Sure, the police should never rule out any possibility but I'm not sure its professional to publicly speculate like this about murder saying it "could be" not without some early but real indication. While that's always theoretically possible many readers would take that statement almost literally, thinking there's some evidence that suggests "it could be."
There IS a video that the PR authorities offered to show to the parents, who declined. Their attorney says he has not been able to obtain a copy.
Officers were unable to find a first-hand witness to her last moments last Sunday when they boarded the $800 million Royal Caribbean ship that can carry up to 4,500 passengers. However a source close to the investigation confirmed the entire incident was caught on camera. 'The video is key to this. It's very conclusive,' the source confirmed. 'It is now in the hands of the Justice Department who will make the decision on what to do.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Chicago.html
Yes, it says the parents did not feel capable of watching it then. So far Royal Caribbean has not released it to the lawyer. He was not offered to watch it, only the parents. The article also states the lawyer they hired was a criminal attorney, as the grandfather needed one for questioning. So far no witnesses. Everyone was distracted by their own vacation. I feel so awful for him, I really think he thought the window was closed. To me it’s not a hard mistake to make. There’s one pic from inside the room after it happened, and it just seems like an easy mistake to make. I can’t imagine facing his daughter having taken her child from her. They flew back on separate planes. I wonder how their relationship will be after this. I find it sad that they needed police escorts to their home from the airport. I’m sure they were offered cause dad is a cop there, but it’s a sad statement on our society that they needed that.
I don’t think the video has to be released until/unless there is actual litigation, as part of discovery. RCCL doesn’t have to hand over its videos to anyone without a warrant or other type of order or without cooperating with evidence or procedure rules throughout litigation. If I were at RCCL I wouldn’t turn it over yet, either. I’m sure whatever criminal investigative authorities who needed it have it and the family lawyer can have it if/when he sues.
I find it sad that they needed police escorts to their home from the airport. I’m sure they were offered cause dad is a cop there, but it’s a sad statement on our society that they needed that.
Yes it is sad, since the only reason they had the police escort was because of their daughter being dead.
The police escort was because of the hearse, not because the family needed protection.
Yes it is sad, since the only reason they had the police escort was because of their daughter being dead.
The police escort was because of the hearse, not because the family needed protection.
The grandfather and grandmother came back on a separate flight. They also had a police escort per the article. They arrived first, then later on the mom, dad and baby's body arrived.
Yes, it says the parents did not feel capable of watching it then. So far Royal Caribbean has not released it to the lawyer. He was not offered to watch it, only the parents. The article also states the lawyer they hired was a criminal attorney, as the grandfather needed one for questioning. So far no witnesses. Everyone was distracted by their own vacation. I feel so awful for him, I really think he thought the window was closed. To me it’s not a hard mistake to make. There’s one pic from inside the room after it happened, and it just seems like an easy mistake to make. I can’t imagine facing his daughter having taken her child from her. They flew back on separate planes. I wonder how their relationship will be after this. I find it sad that they needed police escorts to their home from the airport. I’m sure they were offered cause dad is a cop there, but it’s a sad statement on our society that they needed that.
They may well have flown back on separate planes in an effort to provide some privacy for the parents and their remaining children. The photos in the article were only of the grandparents.
There is a role for publicity, certainly to highlight any institutional dangers (although that does not appear to be case here) or to teach. For example, the lives of young children may have been saved by increased awareness that back-facing car seats can reduce awareness and result in children being forgotten in cars.
My guess is that the police escort primarily may have been a tribute to the child although, yes, it could have served a secondary role had there been aggressive press present. Since this wasn't a funeral, I assume the hearse would have been traveling at normal speed.
I don't think the lawyer is doing them any favors publicity wise, although legally trying to blame the cruise lines might be a smart move. But I think the attempt to make the cruise line look bad is backfiring and swaying public opinion to consider it an attempt to deflect any responsibility from the grandfather and possibly also comes across as grasping and calculated.
Thanks, you phrased that better than I could.
Emphatically insisting the fall was from a child play area.
Justifying the idea that an 18 month old child is and encouraged and even assisted to bang on random glass windows. (Seriously, who does this?)
The "shock" that a window can actually be opened.
I truly feel for the family, I can't imagine the depth of their grief.
They may well have flown back on separate planes in an effort to provide some privacy for the parents and their remaining children. The photos in the article were only of the grandparents.
There is a role for publicity, certainly to highlight any institutional dangers (although that does not appear to be case here) or to teach. For example, the lives of young children may have been saved by increased awareness that back-facing car seats can reduce awareness and result in children being forgotten in cars.
My guess is that the police escort primarily may have been a tribute to the child although, yes, it could have served a secondary role had there been aggressive press present. Since this wasn't a funeral, I assume the hearse would have been traveling at normal speed.
I hope it's just that. I feel like that grandfather is also getting a lot of grief from the social media haters, who nowadays might confront them in public spaces as well as online. I feel like a lot of people grab the pitchforks, and compassion and empathy have been replaced by judgement and derision. I would like to believe they didn't need an escort for those reasons. But we live in a world where Sandy Hook parents get death threats.
They may well have flown back on separate planes in an effort to provide some privacy for the parents and their remaining children. The photos in the article were only of the grandparents.
There is a role for publicity, certainly to highlight any institutional dangers (although that does not appear to be case here) or to teach. For example, the lives of young children may have been saved by increased awareness that back-facing car seats can reduce awareness and result in children being forgotten in cars.
My guess is that the police escort primarily may have been a tribute to the child although, yes, it could have served a secondary role had there been aggressive press present. Since this wasn't a funeral, I assume the hearse would have been traveling at normal speed.
There were eight of them rearranging flights at the last minute. Maybe they simply couldn't get everyone on the same flight.
I suspect the police escort is primarily a professional courtesy due to the Dad being a police officer, but if it keeps the press at bay all the better.
The grandfather and grandmother came back on a separate flight. They also had a police escort per the article. They arrived first, then later on the mom, dad and baby's body arrived.
What article is that? The dailymail one that you were replying to only had a police escort for the hearse.
I hope it's just that. I feel like that grandfather is also getting a lot of grief from the social media haters, who nowadays might confront them in public spaces as well as online. I feel like a lot of people grab the pitchforks, and compassion and empathy have been replaced by judgement and derision. I would like to believe they didn't need an escort for those reasons. But we live in a world where Sandy Hook parents get death threats.
There is a lot about social media that I don't like. No doubt there are positive aspects but there are also the negative. I'm not a big consumer, other than periodic FB use and this forum that I'm pretty much backing out of although there can be a thread that becomes very compelling (as is this one for various reasons).
One issue is that many of the online articles are either badly written or outright inaccurate. This then tends to both distort and fan various public responses. If information is reasonably accurate and/or complete then I'm fine with folks drawing whatever conclusions they may.
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