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I would think it would depend on the time of day and angle of the sun whether you could tell or not. And remember he was an older person with old eyes.
The point is it was an accident that could have been avoided. The WHOLE point is that he should have known better.
A child died because the grandfather didn't exercise proper care. That's his MAIN job as an adult caregiver, and he failed. It's not just pure accident with NO FAULT.
Like it or not, there are laws that apply to this exact situation.
Every accident could have been avoided.
I just don’t see the point of punishing the family when they are already grief stricken and will never get over it. Grandfather will never forgive himself as long as he lives. I just don’t understand the willingness to see him put through trial and the family impoverished and punished for it. I don’t understand this new trend of judging and finger-wagging over how people think they ought to act, i.e. they are not grieving properly, they aren’t taking enough responsibility, they were stupid, and therefore they should be punished. It’s not what a justice system should be set up for. It’s not justice.
Looking at the windows in this video, I think it’d be easy to mistake an open window for closed. Especially with old eyes, possibly cataracts, etc. The attorney likened it to accidentally walking into a sliding glass door that you think it’s open but it’s not.
I too find it much more believable that the grandfather actually thought it was closed than that he put her there knowing it was open.
I have been on many cruise ships. An open window is obvious. Especially when you are standing at the railing. I could not care less about the attorney's opinion. An attorney will say anything in an attempt to vindicate his client and place blame elsewhere.
I do believe it was an accident. But I also believe the grandfather was negligent. I also have compassion for him and the family.
I just don’t see the point of punishing the family when they are already grief stricken and will never get over it. Grandfather will never forgive himself as long as he lives. I just don’t understand the willingness to see him put through trial and the family impoverished and punished for it. I don’t understand this new trend of judging and finger-wagging over how people think they ought to act, i.e. they are not grieving properly, they aren’t taking enough responsibility, they were stupid, and therefore they should be punished. It’s not what a justice system should be set up for. It’s not justice.
The law as applied here is the definition of justice.
This is a tragedy all around, but failing to exercise due care resulting in death is a punishable offense whether or not you are related to the victim. Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it shouldn't apply.
This makes the whole thing even harder to believe. He was not an octogenarian "poor old Grandpa with his dim eyesight"; he was more than young enough to be the baby's father. It would be interesting to get his wife and children together in a room and ask them if he was a crazy risk-taking father to his own children. I wouldn't be surprised. Some people never learn.
1. that they actually charged the grandfather, guy is likely distraught enough and they got like 80K in bail (seems crazy high for a guy in the midwest).
So how someone feels should determine whether they are charged with a crime? I can cause a serious accident on the highway that results in multiple deaths, but as long as I'm distraught over my actions, it's all good?
And no, 80k really doesn't seem like a "crazy high" bail amount. Even for a guy in the midwest (whatever that's supposed to mean).
Yes, I am so tired of hearing people say... "Oh, but it was just an accident...It was a mistake..." A child DIED! It should not be written off as "just an accident" as if it could happen to anyone. This goes beyond being a simple accident. This was clearly negligent behavior on the grandpa's part. An accident would be if she tripped over a chair leg while playing on the ship's deck and skinned her knee. Falling out an open window 11 stories up is not just a mistake that can happen to anyone.
It's a scale. Something like "Accidental - negligent - recklessly - knowingly - intentional", in increasing levels of culpability.
They were docked, there may not have been any breeze at all.
On the water in San Juan PR in July has a steady breeze, it will even be much more noticeable that high up. You can look up historical weather info to confirm.
I have been on many cruise ships. An open window is obvious. Especially when you are standing at the railing. I could not care less about the attorney's opinion. An attorney will say anything in an attempt to vindicate his client and place blame elsewhere.
I do believe it was an accident. But I also believe the grandfather was negligent. I also have compassion for him and the family.
I agree with all your points. Concise and clear.
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