1 year old dropped off Royal Caribbean Cruise ship

[the minx]

Is there anything that states they did or didn't perform tests to determine if he was impaired in some way? If he was, that's the only way I'd believe he didn't notice the window open.

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by the minx

Is there anything that states they did or didn't perform tests to determine if he was impaired in some way? If he was, that's the only way I'd believe he didn't notice the window open.

It would have been appropriate to have tested him; however, I haven't read anything stating that they did.

[DubbleT]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

It wasn't 100 feet above the ground.

It was about 3 feet above the floor.

Since you're acknowledging he did not know the window was open, are you saying people shouldn't go up close to windows on high floors to look out?

The window was 100 ft (?) above the ground outside, and while I don't usually share the same POV with Cloudy I do not see anywhere that he is acknowledging that the man didn't know the window was open. He simply made a statement about 'IF someone thought it weren't open', which is not at all the same thing.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ocnjgirl

Because she wanted to bang on the glass which has been stated multiple times. We will just agree to disagree on jail I tnink he’s been punished enough.

Allowing a small child to sit on top of a railing, not designed for that purpose, so they can bang on glass 100 feet above the ground, seems like a rational idea to you?

[Sockeye66]

Originally Posted by ocnjgirl

I don't see a huge problem with it. She was used to doing it at the hockey rink, where it's apparently traditional for fans to do. She certainly couldn't bang hard enough to damage it.

That is at a hockey rink, where it's not a window but a plexiglass safety barrier.

A window, anywhere and no matter material made of, is not to be banged on by children. And if a child wants to bang on a window it should be discouraged by the guardian adult.

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

Allowing a small child to sit on top of a railing, not designed for that purpose, so they can bang on glass 100 feet above the ground, seems like a rational idea to you?

You can't have it both ways, Cloudy. you can't fault him for attempting to put his daughter on the railing to tap on the window, and state that he knew the glass wasn't there.

You gotta pick ONE thing to hammer this guy with.

Either he's evil because he wanted her to bang on the glass.

OR

He's evil because he knew the window was open and let her fall out of it.

Pick one.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

It wasn't 100 feet above the ground.

It was about 3 feet above the floor.

Since you're acknowledging he did not know the window was open, are you saying people shouldn't go up close to windows on high floors to look out?

1. She fell 100 feet, not 3 feet. You seem to be in total denial. 2. I'm acknowledging no such thing. I don't think he knew if the window was open or it was closed, but even if it was closed, it was reckless. 3. Yes, I'm saying that young children should not be near any unsecured window, unless an adult is holding them. I have already provided links to child safety, explaining why you shouldn't do that.

Eight children a year die in falls from windows, and over 3,300 are injured that way. This problem is right up there with leaving children in hot cars, as a big no, no for parents.

Falls from windows are more common than people might think. According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, about eight children under age 5 die each year from falling out a window, and more than 3,300 are injured seriously enough to go to the hospital.

Window Safety

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

1. She fell 100 feet, not 3 feet. You seem to be in total denial. 2. I'm acknowledging no such thing. I don't think he knew if the window was open or it was closed, but even if it was closed, it was reckless. 3. Yes, I'm saying that young children should not be near any unsecured window, unless an adult is holding them. I have already provided links to child safety, explaining why you shouldn't do that.

Eight children a year die in falls from windows, and over 3,300 are injured that way. This problem is right up there with leaving children in hot cars, as a big no, no for parents.



Window Safety

I'm looking at it from his perspective.

Putting a child on a railing when you know the window is open and any mistake will surely cause her death vs. seating a child on a railing where the fall is 3 feet. That's what we're comparing.

From his perspective, it's the latter.

So saying he chose to sit her up there over a hundred foot drop isn't accurate. He didn't know the drop was 100 feet. He thought it was 3.

To assess his judgement to place her on the railing, you have to take into account whether he thought the window was closed.

That's a little like a parent placing a child in a field of wildflowers for a picture, and not realizing the rattlesnake a few feet away, and then you saying "how stupid to place a child so near a snake for a picture. I would NEVER place my child next to a venomous snake just for a picture!" Same thing.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

You can't have it both ways, Cloudy. you can't fault him for attempting to put his daughter on the railing to tap on the window, and state that he knew the glass wasn't there.

You gotta pick ONE thing to hammer this guy with.

Either he's evil because he wanted her to bang on the glass.

OR

He's evil because he knew the window was open and let her fall out of it.

Pick one.

Please stop.

[Teacher Terry]

I totally agree with cloudy and he deserves to be prosecuted. If that was my dad I would never be able to forgive him for being so careless.