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Could be. Seems so weird to see that plane nose dive vertically pointer down with an eyewitness saying there was no visible smoke or other such things from the plane as it fell. I guess the black box and investigation will reveal more.
Flight #MU5735 was performed by a Boeing 737-89P aircraft with registration number B-1791. serial number 41474.
It was delivered to China Eastern Airlines in June 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_...es_Flight_5735
(This message delivered from a 737-800 @28,000 ft (currently....)
So.. A new aircraft for all intents and purposes.. China Eastern was the original owner, so they didn't purchase it from another airline. They've done all the maintenance that was done on it. They're a generally safe and respected airline..
Does lean me to believe it was purposeful.
But.. I go back to my statement. There was a fight in the cockpit. I'm 100% confident in that. What I am not is whether the fight was between the pilots.. Between the pilots and another person.. Or the pilots and the aircraft.
Someone asked what could be recoverable and then go down again.. Well, if someone was trying to crash it.. And you've won and righted the aircraft.. What are the odds you'll allow them in a position to do it again?
Stuck controls, perhaps.. Hell.. Remember the Russian plane crash a number of years ago where the pilot had his kid flying the plane they did temporarily, or almost regain control of that.. Terror/suicide are two legit possibilities. But, they are certainly not the only possibilities.
The question for me. If it was mechanical.. we'll get the truth. If it was other.. I'm not entirely confident we will.
So.. A new aircraft for all intents and purposes.. China Eastern was the original owner, so they didn't purchase it from another airline. They've done all the maintenance that was done on it. They're a generally safe and respected airline..
Does lean me to believe it was purposeful.
But.. I go back to my statement. There was a fight in the cockpit. I'm 100% confident in that. What I am not is whether the fight was between the pilots.. Between the pilots and another person.. Or the pilots and the aircraft.
Someone asked what could be recoverable and then go down again.. Well, if someone was trying to crash it.. And you've won and righted the aircraft.. What are the odds you'll allow them in a position to do it again?
Stuck controls, perhaps.. Hell.. Remember the Russian plane crash a number of years ago where the pilot had his kid flying the plane they did temporarily, or almost regain control of that.. Terror/suicide are two legit possibilities. But, they are certainly not the only possibilities.
The question for me. If it was mechanical.. we'll get the truth. If it was other.. I'm not entirely confident we will.
I agree, something happened, either with a person doing it or mechanical.
As I posted above, they should have been starting their descent, maybe something happened to the controls when they started descending?
I also agree that if it was pilot suicide we won't hear about it. They won't let something like that out. In the US people would be suing, not so sure if they can in China.... Pretty sure the government owns the fleet, they won't allow their records to be opened in court.
According to the documentary we watched, a sudden nose-dive would cause pilots and passengers to mercifully pass out before hitting the ground.
Why would a sudden nose-dive cause everyone to pass out? I imagine some people fainted from fright, but there really isn't any physical reason from a plane going straight down to cause the passengers to lose consciousness.
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Originally Posted by NoMansLands
No airline flight ever makes a 90 degree turn ever. They do make a long arch to turn 90 degrees which takes many minutes.
Airlines do 90 degree turns all the time. What they don't do is bank 90 degrees when making those turns.
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Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133
I will never fly ever again.
We need high speed rail, or super fast hydrofoil boats.
Right. Because trains never crash and boats never sink.
As for a cause, we may never know since plowing straight into the ground won't leave much intact to look at. However, although it is fortunately now very rare for a mechanical problem to bring down modern airliners, it still does happen. Look up Alaska Airlines Flight 261. That MD-83 suffered a failure in the horizontal stabilizer jackscrew and ended up going almost straight down into the ocean off California.
I agree, something happened, either with a person doing it or mechanical.
As I posted above, they should have been starting their descent, maybe something happened to the controls when they started descending?
I also agree that if it was pilot suicide we won't hear about it. They won't let something like that out. In the US people would be suing, not so sure if they can in China.... Pretty sure the government owns the fleet, they won't allow their records to be opened in court.
The only thing we can really rule out here.. It wasn't a dead stick. The (temporary) recovery proves that. So, no loss of pressure situation with empty O2 generators or anything of that nature.
The fact that control was regained, albeit temporarily.. Nudges me towards this being an issue with the aircraft itself.
If it was a suicidal pilot.. Likely, he locks the other pilot out or otherwise incapacitates him. That's what we've seen in these cases before. So, unless he got cold feet when he saw the ground rapidly approaching, pulled out, and then said "well, i'm boned" and regrew a pair and then put it in the ground.. Which.. Just sounds preposterous..
We shall see. No idea how long China will take to investigate. But I'm sure we're start hearing some rumblings and leaks once an operating theory is obtained, likely from the CVR and DFR data.
From what I've heard, the box they found was the CVR. So, the analyzing of that should be starting here in the next day or so, if it hasn't already.
Why would a sudden nose-dive cause everyone to pass out? I imagine some people fainted from fright, but there really isn't any physical reason from a plane going straight down to cause the passengers to lose consciousness.
G-Force. A rapid descend would create enough pressure on the body to prevent the heart from pumping blood to the brain. The result would be people passing out.
The fact that control was regained, albeit temporarily.. Nudges me towards this being an issue with the aircraft itself.
If it was a suicidal pilot.. Likely, he locks the other pilot out or otherwise incapacitates him. That's what we've seen in these cases before. So, unless he got cold feet when he saw the ground rapidly approaching, pulled out, and then said "well, i'm boned" and regrew a pair and then put it in the ground.. Which.. Just sounds preposterous..
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Too early to surmise that “the control was regained”
Don’t want to go into too technical details - but the data you referring to was coming from the flight radar.
When the plane was going nose down at the rate it was - with some video capture to confirm it - that flight radar data is unreliable to make a certain conclusion of “control was regained”
On that video - stabilizer is not visible…
In addition, I could be wrong, but the Chinese still have a much larger crew on their planes - at least 4 pilots + an engineer unlike our flight crews of 2 pilots - easier to lock out or overcome in nefarious situations.
Agree with you - we shall see.
The Chinese are very prudent in their investigation - they are the ones who grounded Boing Max planes first - we wouldn’t do it in the US.
Could be anything - including a clear air turbulence encounter - which could tear off the vertical stabilizer- it happened to airplanes before with no chance of recovery.
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