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Old 04-13-2022, 08:47 PM
 
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Turbulence is a risk in any flight, just like pot holes are on the road. If you can't deal with turbulence without having a meltdown, you shouldn't get on a plane.
By the way, if the only people who flew were those who are okay with extended periods of severe turbulence, the entire airline industry would go bankrupt within a matter of months.
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Old 04-14-2022, 12:48 AM
 
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Why can't they be let off the plane? Apparently the passengers went through a harrowing experience. Let 'em leave.

How does the airline keep them onboard against their will without that being a crime?
It was an International flight. One HAS to go through Customs to re-enter the U.S.A.
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Old 04-14-2022, 12:52 AM
 
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...there are likely some good reasons to do it that way from an airline operations standpoint.
^This!
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Old 04-14-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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If given that option, they probably would have preferred that to going back up into severe turbulence.
But weren't they on the ground in Newark for over an hour so that the turbulence/storm was pretty much gone before they took off again?

It was an international flight. Much easier for all including the passengers to stay on the plane. If they had deplaned and been able to get them into customs, the passengers would have had to pick up their luggage, go through customs, go back out into terminal, go through security again, to get back into the boarding area(usually on a different floor or terminal building) for the flight out. That is what we had to do coming into Fort Lauderdale from Central America anyway. BTW we did not get $50 compensation or anything for the delay. It would have been faster to rent a car than wait for the rest of our flight to Orlando, but we were being picked up in Orlando and they were waiting at the airport for us.

My DIL flew into the area of Midwest yesterday on a domestic flight, but was diverted to an airport in another state. They were not allowed off plane as the storms came into that state, so they waited out the storm on the ground in the plane, and got to fly into original airport after 8PM last night. They left Orlando about noon expecting to be at her parents by 4 PM. Sometimes things don't go as planned and we just need to chill when we travel. Arrive alive is much better than possible alternatives.
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Old 04-14-2022, 07:18 AM
 
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But weren't they on the ground in Newark for over an hour so that the turbulence/storm was pretty much gone before they took off again?
A storm can have passed and still leave severe turbulence in its wake. The worst flight I've ever been on was flying into St. Louis. We flew around a big violent storm system with skies clearing above STL, but our plane got tossed around like a ragdoll on approach. The FA was in her jumpseat passing air sickness bags down the aisle.
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Old 04-14-2022, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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If you’re talking congested air space like you get over NYC, it can also take some time to get you slotted to land again, and long haul flights with planes already in the air often have priority over short hops that can easily held at origin until ATC knows they have space for them.
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Old 04-14-2022, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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I don't understand this comment. I thought the plane had just landed at EWR?
I was referring to what everyone was complaining about: being in the air for an extended few hours.
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Old 04-14-2022, 08:17 AM
 
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This is the kind of thing that has Americans frothing at the mouth over airlines and air transportation these days.

Meh. The thing that has people frothing is that more and more folks are ill-equipped to deal with situations that don't go according to plan. Crap happens. That's life. Roll with it or ... froth. Turbulence, aborted landings, wrong airports, no customs, and far, far worse - have existed for the entire history of air travel - but the phenomenon of whining and suing and crying about the "bad day" is fairly new.



Whoever said it's JetBlue's call to get CBP there is apparently not too familiar with what an aircraft pilot is (not) capable of. His/Her communications are limited (by frequency) to another subset of people...and so on. And not ONE OF THEM has the authority or jurisdiction or whatever else you want to call it - to tell CBP where to go and when to get there.



CBP is not the TSA. CBP has remarkable authority and general "horsepower" to mainly do their job - which is FIRSTLY about immigration, and only secondarily about smuggling, of drugs or beef jerky or airplane produce. The immigration portion of it requires access to electronic information which was ALREADY set for JFK. Doubt that?


Ever get off a plane internationally and have the facial recognition screen identify you in less than 1 second? How do ya think that happens? They magically scan through 7 billion sets of features? No. They already are expecting you. You already filed the paperwork. They need to consider just a hundred or so faces, maybe less. Easy.


Bottom line - a simple "get 'er done" attitude with regard to CBP - will not get it - since their OWN attitude is the same, and in their world, that means sending you where you belong - JFK. They have no reason or urge or desire or motivation to do ANY of things you (or the pilot) would ask them. None at all. Why would they? Their duty is more important than your barfing.
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Old 04-14-2022, 08:17 AM
 
Location: East TN
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What's the big deal. Airplanes get diverted for weather, and other reasons, sometimes you have to sit on the tarmac for many reasons. Turbulence is just turbulence, can't help it. Just sit down, shut up, and wait. It's not like they're hurting you.
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Old 04-14-2022, 08:39 AM
 
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What's the big deal. Airplanes get diverted for weather, and other reasons, sometimes you have to sit on the tarmac for many reasons. Turbulence is just turbulence, can't help it. Just sit down, shut up, and wait. It's not like they're hurting you.
The issue wasn't waiting. The passengers actually wanted to wait. What they didn't want to do was be sent BACK UP into the severe turbulence they had just endured.
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