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Old 06-02-2023, 12:58 PM
 
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I believe there are any number of solutions to that problem. As I explained, after a bad crash a car's computer system will likely be out of commission too. But that would occur after the airbags deploy. The same type of system should be used in aircraft to open emergency exits on impact. Putting that task in the hands of random passengers is a primitive way of doing things at best. This incident highlights the problems with that.
But you're thinking of it as a regular door, that opens and closes on a hinge. Emergency doors on planes don't open and close. You put both hands on handholds within the door, and lift the entire door out of the frame. I can't see how that would be possible to do automatically, and I assume there is a reason they make the doors like that versus like a standard door.
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Old 06-02-2023, 12:59 PM
 
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Well, for one thing, we are talking about a machine that regularly moves in and out an environment where people cannot survive......unless that machine provides the living environment for the people. So we are, basically, talking about a massively complex machine which is not the same as a car......and we should not expect it to be.



But, as said, we have found over the decades that leaving emergency exits to the crew is a potential loser. After all, would you expect, even in the car like bus, for the driver to get to the back of the bus to open that door so those in the back of the bus could escape?
He's not even talking about leaving it the crew, but leaving it to a computer.
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Old 06-02-2023, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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But you're thinking of it as a regular door, that opens and closes on a hinge. Emergency doors on planes don't open and close. You put both hands on handholds within the door, and lift the entire door out of the frame. I can't see how that would be possible to do automatically, and I assume there is a reason they make the doors like that versus like a standard door.
Regardless it should be automatic, not the responsibility of random passengers. Who may or may not be physically or mentally capable of opening the doors, or who may have mental episodes and open then when they shouldn't
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Old 06-02-2023, 03:11 PM
 
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Regardless it should be automatic, not the responsibility of random passengers. Who may or may not be physically or mentally capable of opening the doors, or who may have mental episodes and open then when they shouldn't
How can it be automated when it requires being lifted entirely out of the door frame??

There have been many, many planes crashes over the years and I don't ever recall an incident where a passenger in the emergency aisle didn't/couldn't/wouldn't open the door. IMO computers have glitches all the time, I certainly wouldn't trust that any automatic mechanism would work properly in a crash. Aside from the fact it would be impossible to automate the type doors they currently use.
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Old 06-02-2023, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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How can it be automated when it requires being lifted entirely out of the door frame??

There have been many, many planes crashes over the years and I don't ever recall an incident where a passenger in the emergency aisle didn't/couldn't/wouldn't open the door. IMO computers have glitches all the time, I certainly wouldn't trust that any automatic mechanism would work properly in a crash. Aside from the fact it would be impossible to automate the type doors they currently use.
The same way the doors in a grocery store open automatically, with electronics and sensors. If a human can open the door, a machine can open the door.
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Old 06-03-2023, 09:22 AM
 
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The same way the doors in a grocery store open automatically, with electronics and sensors. If a human can open the door, a machine can open the door.
Again, plane doors do not open enclosed. You’d have to lift the entire door out of the frame to open it.

In any case, a suggestion like the one you’re making, would require re-designing and rebuilding every airplane from scratch. Airlines are already struggling. I highly doubt there’s money in there to buy a whole new fleet of super advanced automated planes.
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Old 06-03-2023, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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You would have stood in an open doorway of a plane and reached outside to try to grab the door, while the plane was flying? Good luck with that. Emergency doors don't open and close, the entire door lifts out of the frame.
Tongue in cheek. I know about doors in a plane. My dad was a pilot.


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hehehehe. Pulling the door shut was probably not happening - but the rest - yeah - not sure how he didn't go out, either on his own or with a little help.
If someone wants to go flying without wings, far be it from me to interfere with him. LOL
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Old 06-07-2023, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Ashland, Oregon
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The airlines have made it possible, with cheap flights, for the general public to fly. And the general public does. The general public sucks. Not everyone, OF COURSE, but too many nuts and bolts slip through the cracks. If I ever fly again, it will be in Business or First Class. Extra money doesn't protect against any and all of the dirt bags who fly.

But it helps.
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Old 06-07-2023, 09:02 PM
 
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What would you say to the guy afterwards, if you happened to be sitting next to him?


Spoiler
First time flying?
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Old 06-10-2023, 09:00 PM
 
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What would you say to the guy afterwards, if you happened to be sitting next to him?


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First time flying?

Forgot your parachute?
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