Texas Rangers New Stadium Thoughts (Dallas, Arlington: high school, living, cost of living)

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

The only thing I would say is forget all the "studies" and rosy projections, we already have a pretty comparable actual case; Irving. So how did they do after luring the Cowboys? Anyone see any booming around the Texas Stadium due to the Boys? Me neither. Case closed.

Seems to me that makes Arlington's point in trying to keep The Rangers.

[ThomasCrown]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Sure................


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_subsidy

From your link:

"A review of the empirical literature assessing the effects of subsidies for professional sports franchises and facilities reveals that most evidence goes against sports subsidies. Specifically, subsidies cannot be justified on the grounds of local economic development, income growth or job creation. A survey of economists also reveals a general opposition toward sports subsidies."

Originally Posted by EDS_

Seems to me that makes Arlington's point in trying to keep The Rangers.

No, it doesn't. At all.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by ThomasCrown

From your link:

"A review of the empirical literature assessing the effects of subsidies for professional sports franchises and facilities reveals that most evidence goes against sports subsidies. Specifically, subsidies cannot be justified on the grounds of local economic development, income growth or job creation. A survey of economists also reveals a general opposition toward sports subsidies."



No, it doesn't. At all.

Dude relax. This thing is going to pass, sadly so because passage will knock Dallas out of the running. You should stop worrying about it so much.

WIKI usually offers pro and con arguments there is no surprise there.

[Aceraceae]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Dude relax. This thing is going to pass, sadly so because passage will knock Dallas out of the running. You should stop worrying about it so much.

WIKI usually offers pro and con arguments there is no surprise there.

I would have preferred it in Dallas as well.

[ThomasCrown]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Dude relax. This thing is going to pass, sadly so because passage will knock Dallas out of the running. You should stop worrying about it so much.

WIKI usually offers pro and con arguments there is no surprise there.

And you should stop making nonsensical arguments in support of lunacy.

It might pass, yes. But don't try and make any sort of argument that this is GOOD for Arlington. I feel sorry for their city council. They don't want to lose the team, but they sure don't want to pay $450 million+ for a new stadium either. It's unfortunate that Arlington doesn't have the guts to laugh at the proposal and tell them to take their ball and go home.

I don't worry about a $1 Billion stadium being built where I don't live and won't pay for. I worry about the systemic lack of common sense that people display that leads to decisions like this being made.

[numbersguy100]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Dude relax. This thing is going to pass, sadly so because passage will knock Dallas out of the running. You should stop worrying about it so much.

WIKI usually offers pro and con arguments there is no surprise there.

It does make Arlington look foolish to me. Dallas was never going to get its act together enough to spend the kind of money it would take to be competitive with Arlington, but now we can see how fearful they are. I'd buy season tickets to an open air stadium in Dallas, but I won't even go to a game in a stadium with a roof in Arlington. But maybe I am very unrepresentative of their target market. I would guess that they could come out ahead on ticket sales in Dallas with a much smaller subsidy, but the subsidy is guaranteed and ticket sales aren't.

[dollaztx]

Anybody who thinks they should have built this in downtown Dallas is out of their mind. Imagine the Yankees or Giants Stadium in Manhattan. It should never happen. It speaks volumes about a city's current property valuation, desirability, or lack thereof. I can understand south Dallas or any areas with low property taxes because they make sense, but not Downtown or any part close to the core.

[BigDGeek]

To me, Dallas would have a hard time justifying spending any money on getting the Rangers over here when:

1.) Violent crime is up.
2.) The roads are in appalling condition.
3.) There are thousands of rental properties in appalling condition.
4.) A woman was mauled to death by stray dogs in South Dallas...an issue that is only getting worse.
5.) Poverty is an ever-growing problem.

If I were a taxpayer in the city of Dallas (full disclosure: I'm not), I'd be beyond pissed if the city spent money on an MLB franchise rather than addressing any or all of the above with the same money.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by dollaztx

Anybody who thinks they should have built this in downtown Dallas is out of their mind. Imagine the Yankees or Giants Stadium in Manhattan. It should never happen. It speaks volumes about a city's current property valuation, desirability, or lack thereof. I can understand south Dallas or any areas with low property taxes because they make sense, but not Downtown or any part close to the core.

People just want an urban ballpark like Chicago has with Wrigley or Boston with Fenway. Yeah, downtown may not work. But a location in South Dallas somewhat could. I think NOLA in the city vs city forum said that if you need a stadium in downtown to liven up your downtown, your downtown sucks. Because it takes up so much land that could be of better use. That's probably why New York doesn't have any of their fields in Manhattan and MSG may close in the future. Wembley is not in London but in a suburb just to the northwest of town. But both of these areas have a transit network that is significant enough to move thousands of people.

[ThomasCrown]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

To me, Dallas would have a hard time justifying spending any money on getting the Rangers over here when:

1.) Violent crime is up.
2.) The roads are in appalling condition.
3.) There are thousands of rental properties in appalling condition.
4.) A woman was mauled to death by stray dogs in South Dallas...an issue that is only getting worse.
5.) Poverty is an ever-growing problem.

If I were a taxpayer in the city of Dallas (full disclosure: I'm not), I'd be beyond pissed if the city spent money on an MLB franchise rather than addressing any or all of the above with the same money.

This.

Frankly, I bet Dallas is glad that Arlington will probably capitulate and give the Rangers a new stadium. It lets the Dallas City Council off the hook from having to agree to such a proposal, when they know the economic benefits being touted from the Rangers and the developers isn't going to happen. The Rangers would definitely look to Dallas next if Arlington said no.

The way local development is occurring, I'd say it makes the most sense to build a new stadium up in Frisco area, or along 121 somewhere.