Neighborhood name? (Houston, Dallas, Plano: big house, neighborhoods, school)

[Houston parent]

Can any of you Dallas residents tell me what name you use when referring to the area north of University Park (between Northwest Hwy and 635) that includes St. Mark's, Hockaday and ESD? Is that considered one neighborhood or multiple neighborhoods?

[turf3]

I expect nowadays people would generally call that - though strictly speaking Preston Hollow only goes from NW Hwy to Royal or Forest and between Hillcrest and the Tollroad.


Old time Dallasites would call it "North Dallas".


In truth there are many smaller neighborhoods within that area, each with its own character. The area around and to the immediate northwest of Hockaday is quite different than, say, the big house area on Jourdan Way.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by turf3

I expect nowadays people would generally call that - though strictly speaking Preston Hollow only goes from NW Hwy to Royal or Forest and between Hillcrest and the Tollroad.


Old time Dallasites would call it "North Dallas".


In truth there are many smaller neighborhoods within that area, each with its own character. The area around and to the immediate northwest of Hockaday is quite different than, say, the big house area on Jourdan Way.

Actually the town of Preston Hollow was Northwest Hwy north to Walnut Hill and roughly Thackeray or Edgemere over to Midway, encompassing all the multi acre estates west of Douglas.

OP, a realtor would call it all “Preston Hollow” though it is actually a bunch of different smaller neighborhoods. St Marks is the only one actually in Preston Hollow (which is now considered to extend north to Royal from the original Walnut Hill border).

Hockaday is in the Hockaday Square neighborhood.

ESD is kind of midway between the Strait Lane estates and Sparkman Club neighborhoods.

And to confuse matters further, if you’ve been in Dallas since before 1990, “North Dallas” is the area between Preston Hollow and 635. Today people who live in Frisco and McKinney say they live in “North Dallas.”

[TXNGL]

Originally Posted by Houston parent

Can any of you Dallas residents tell me what name you use when referring to the area north of University Park (between Northwest Hwy and 635) that includes St. Mark's, Hockaday and ESD? Is that considered one neighborhood or multiple neighborhoods?

Realtors will call that area Preston Hollow. When I was growing up in the area we called it North Dallas, except for the Preston Hollow neighborhood which was called, lol, Preston Hollow. There are several neighborhoods within that area.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

Actually the town of Preston Hollow was Northwest Hwy north to Walnut Hill and roughly Thackeray or Edgemere over to Midway, encompassing all the multi acre estates west of Douglas.

OP, a realtor would call it all “Preston Hollow” though it is actually a bunch of different smaller neighborhoods. St Marks is the only one actually in Preston Hollow (which is now considered to extend north to Royal from the original Walnut Hill border).

Hockaday is in the Hockaday Square neighborhood.

ESD is kind of midway between the Strait Lane estates and Sparkman Club neighborhoods.

And to confuse matters further, if you’ve been in Dallas since before 1990, “North Dallas” is the area between Preston Hollow and 635. Today people who live in Frisco and McKinney say they live in “North Dallas.”

As a McKinney resident, I always say (to someone who might not know anything other than Dallas) that I live in the North Dallas BURBS.

North Dallas to me is the city of Dallas north of 635.... in my mind what should have all been Addison or Richardson. Never understood why Addison did not annex and become a major burb like Richardson, Plano, Carrollton, etc. I guess some call that part Far North Dallas.

[Cd225]

For me, North Dallas has always been inside 635, west of 75, and north of Preston Hollow. My memory of the name Far North Dallas as the area in the city limits north of 635 seems to go back to at least the 1980s. People outside DFW don’t know all these names, so it makes sense for someone to tell non-residents they live in North Dallas when they really live in the northern suburbs.

If I tell someone I live in Dallas I usually have to clarify that I live in the Dallas city limits. They ask, “What part of Dallas?” and I can’t think of a better answer. I’m assuming they are expecting to hear a familiar name like Plano.

[Prumio]

"St. Mark's, Hockaday and ESD?". Definitely muliple neighborhoods although realtors will lump most of it as "Preston Hollow". That would be a stretch for the area around ESD, for sure. On NextDoor, you'll see Preston Hollow, Preston Hollow East, Old Preston Hollow, Preston Hollow North, Netherland Park, Midway Hollow, Walnut Hill, Preston Forest South, Preston Forest North, Northaven Park, Royal Hills, Schreiber Manor, Royal Northaven, and so on.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by Cd225

For me, North Dallas has always been inside 635, west of 75, and north of Preston Hollow. My memory of the name Far North Dallas as the area in the city limits north of 635 seems to go back to at least the 1980s. People outside DFW don’t know all these names, so it makes sense for someone to tell non-residents they live in North Dallas when they really live in the northern suburbs.

If I tell someone I live in Dallas I usually have to clarify that I live in the Dallas city limits. They ask, “What part of Dallas?” and I can’t think of a better answer. I’m assuming they are expecting to hear a familiar name like Plano.

Would the 80s been about the time Dallas would have annexed this far north? Developmentally, it is all very 80ish in design and feel. Maybe pockets started developing in the 70s.

[turf3]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Would the 80s been about the time Dallas would have annexed this far north? Developmentally, it is all very 80ish in design and feel. Maybe pockets started developing in the 70s.

I don't know about dates of annexations for sure; I know that in 1968 Addison was a small farm town and there was very little built north of where LBJ is today. Belt Line Rd. at Midway was a 2 lane asphalt country road with bar ditches. I also know that by the late 1970s the shopping center at Preston and Belt Line had been built and the surroundings were being filled up with subdivisions.


Bent Tree CC and the surrounding area were late 70s as I remember going to a dance out there about 1978 or so.


So I would say most of what is now in Dallas city limits out there was probably annexed from the late 60s through the late 70s. I do remember when Renner (centered around today's Preston and Frankford) was annexed in the late 70s and there was considerable controversy, I think a large number of Renner residents did not want to be annexed.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by turf3

I don't know about dates of annexations for sure; I know that in 1968 Addison was a small farm town and there was very little built north of where LBJ is today. Belt Line Rd. at Midway was a 2 lane asphalt country road with bar ditches. I also know that by the late 1970s the shopping center at Preston and Belt Line had been built and the surroundings were being filled up with subdivisions.


Bent Tree CC and the surrounding area were late 70s as I remember going to a dance out there about 1978 or so.


So I would say most of what is now in Dallas city limits out there was probably annexed from the late 60s through the late 70s. I do remember when Renner (centered around today's Preston and Frankford) was annexed in the late 70s and there was considerable controversy, I think a large number of Renner residents did not want to be annexed.

i would love a history of all the former incorporated towns that have been swallowed by Dallas. One old timer told me of several smaller towns that were wet along what is now Harry Hines and why that area still has a rougher reputation. League City or Field City or something like that, Letot.... (sp?)... I think there is still an old school house with that name on it. Was Pleasant Grove a former town? I know Oak Cliff was once an independent city. There are others i can't think of.