Get ready for I-70 construction! (Denver: real estate, employment, neighborhood)

[headingtoDenver]

Originally Posted by SkyDog77

It’s hard for me to say that I-70 is the wrong project.

I'm not saying that the I70 project is the wrong project. I'm saying that if we hadn't spent money on so many other non-needed projects, we might have been able to pay for this needed project without 3rd party and toll lane intervention. The I25 Arapahoe project I mentioned earlier cost roughly 66 million and I personally don't think this was needed. This 66 million could have been used for the I70 project, granted the I70 cost is substantially more, but I believe you get my point.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by headingtoDenver

I'm not saying that the I70 project is the wrong project. I'm saying that if we hadn't spent money on so many other non-needed projects, we might have been able to pay for this needed project without 3rd party and toll lane intervention. The I25 Arapahoe project I mentioned earlier cost roughly 66 million and I personally don't think this was needed. This 66 million could have been used for the I70 project, granted the I70 cost is substantially more, but I believe you get my point.

Sort of, but not really. I don’t think there is as much wasted road maintenance as you believe there is. If anything we aren’t doing enough.

[Jobster]

Originally Posted by SkyDog77

I’m pretty sure the private contractor assumes that risk. That’s one of the upsides of the P3 arrangement.



Correct.



Toll is express lane only. I am all for the public funding the project in its entirety, but we have not shown a willingness to do that and the road is literally crumbling. This is the way projects are getting done right now.

Also plenty of peons take out mortgages to do massive remodels.

Yep, liquidated damages.

Road construction is cut throat and it's lowest price technically acceptable, typically through a one or two step bidding process.

Contractors try to finish as fast as possible.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by Jobster

Yep, liquidated damages.

Road construction is cut throat and it's lowest price technically acceptable, typically through a one or two step bidding process.

Contractors try to finish as fast as possible.

Not sure I follow on liquidated damages. My understanding of this structure is as part of the contractor’s bid, they are saying they will build the road. The amount of money the public is paying is fixed. Any cost overruns are the responsibility of the contractor, not the public.

[daprara]

-tolls only for the express lames but same number of none express lanes as the existing freeway, go figure
-the CDOT "deal" is the construction company gets to run & maintain the freeway for the next 30years
-only a small portion of i70 is getting rebuilt; form i25 to Colorado Blvd
-super duper new over i70 park is being built right next to the Dog Food Plant. odor so bad it takes paint off passing cars.
-construction starting some time mid 2018

way to go CDOT

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by daprara

-tolls only for the express lames but same number of none express lanes as the existing freeway, go figure
-the CDOT "deal" is the construction company gets to run & maintain the freeway for the next 30years
-only a small portion of i70 is getting rebuilt; form i25 to Colorado Blvd
-super duper new over i70 park is being built right next to the Dog Food Plant. odor so bad it takes paint off passing cars.
-construction starting some time mid 2018

way to go CDOT

What’s your plan?

[woob]

Originally Posted by SkyDog77

What’s your plan?

Instead of spending 2.2 billion for 10 miles of toll lanes, spend half that money on subsidized buses and restrict trucks during peak driving times. $10 bus tickets to the ski areas would take huge numbers of cars off the road friday night through sunday when traffic is the worst.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by woob

Instead of spending 2.2 billion for 10 miles of toll lanes, spend half that money on subsidized buses and restrict trucks during peak driving times. $10 bus tickets to the ski areas would take huge numbers of cars off the road friday night through sunday when traffic is the worst.

How does that fix the crumbling viaduct?

[daprara]

Originally Posted by SkyDog77

What’s your plan?

my better plan would be; Monday 112017 get the back hoes in there digging

i think citizens should be more aware tho.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by daprara

my better plan would be; Monday 112017 get the back hoes in there digging

i think citizens should be more aware tho.

Anyone who isn’t aware is being lazy at this point.