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Standard material, everywhere is basically the same, everyone pays taxes, if you're bored here you'll be bored there, etc. It's simply not true for everyone although many prefer to believe it is to justify their own city. Of course, someone can be a city known for excitement, and still be boring, the vice versa is also true.
I mean, we're seeing comparisons of Milwaukee to NYC & Vegas, I'm not sure it gets more ridiculous.
Standard material, everywhere is basically the same, everyone pays taxes, if you're bored here you'll be bored there, etc. It's simply not true for everyone although many prefer to believe it is to justify their own city. Of course, someone can be a city known for excitement, and still be boring, the vice versa is also true.
I mean, we're seeing comparisons of Milwaukee to NYC & Vegas, I'm not sure it gets more ridiculous.
Yeah... and you want to enlighten me on what is so extraordinarily entertaining about New York and Vegas?
That you think Vegas has some bonanza of "culture" and entertainment accessible to all contra Milwaukee just tells me you know little of either.
New York City has little block parties. Wow. Astonishing. So does Milwaukee but I'd bet dollars to donuts on a far larger per capita scale. Riddle me this... how does tiny Milwaukee produce a large Italian festival than loud mouth New York Italians?
Oh what... I can go to a casino in New York City but I can't in Milwaukee?
I can sail on a boat in NYC but not in Milwaukee?
Ballet, theaters (as in stage theaters), symphony, art museums, zoo, parks... etc. you have access to those thing in Milwaukee too.
Or wait... rather than pay $30 million for a bland condo in a Trump Tower in New York I could spend several millions less for one with even more character in Milwaukee? Duh!
Downtown Vegas sucks. At least when I was there. Excepted Freemont Street. There exists no real level of free public festivals like there does in Milwaukee (e.g. Brady Street Festival; Bastille Days; block parties). Even it's stereotype of street prostitution is a piece of Hollywood fiction. You can pick up more street hookers in a number of sides of towns of Milwaukee in 10 minutes than you could in 2 weeks of fearfully trying to solicit for prostitutes in Vegas. And Las Vegas is very conservative in a number of ways. It's like a red-neck town with a bunch of casinos and sins thrown into it. They are much tougher on patrolling for prostitution in Vegas than in Milwaukee.
But bars and night clubs aren't the most important things to me. To be honest I don't care for night clubs. But I will cede Vegas almost certainly has more glitzy night clubs in casinos than Milwaukee has in its whole city. I also was blown away by how fabulous the strip clubs in Vegas are. All nude too.
There were some things I liked about Vegas. But overall it would not be my first choice city to live in and certainly not high on the list to raise a family in. I'd raise a family in NYC before Vegas.
Most the people in the casinos when I was in Vegas were middle-aged people, lots of slow, dull people and families as tourists too. Lots of international tourists. But it was nothing like the TV image of it being a city run by young, single, beautiful high rollers. The casinos simply were not that "exciting." Too many grandmothers sitting all day at slot machines. Too many broken gambling addicts and others Vegas society just threw away on the streets.
But I can't wait to here about all this mind blowing excitement in NYC.
Yeah... and you want to enlighten me on what is so extraordinarily entertaining about New York and Vegas?
That you think Vegas has some bonanza of "culture" and entertainment accessible to all contra Milwaukee just tells me you know little of either.
New York City has little block parties. Wow. Astonishing. So does Milwaukee but I'd bet dollars to donuts on a far larger per capita scale. Riddle me this... how does tiny Milwaukee produce a large Italian festival than loud mouth New York Italians?
Oh what... I can go to a casino in New York City but I can't in Milwaukee?
I can sail on a boat in NYC but not in Milwaukee?
Ballet, theaters (as in stage theaters), symphony, art museums, zoo, parks... etc. you have access to those thing in Milwaukee too.
Or wait... rather than pay $30 million for a bland condo in a Trump Tower in New York I could spend several millions less for one with even more character in Milwaukee? Duh!
Downtown Vegas sucks. At least when I was there. Excepted Freemont Street. There exists no real level of free public festivals like there does in Milwaukee (e.g. Brady Street Festival; Bastille Days; block parties). Even it's stereotype of street prostitution is a piece of Hollywood fiction. You can pick up more street hookers in a number of sides of towns of Milwaukee in 10 minutes than you could in 2 weeks of fearfully trying to solicit for prostitutes in Vegas. And Las Vegas is very conservative in a number of ways. It's like a red-neck town with a bunch of casinos and sins thrown into it. They are much tougher on patrolling for prostitution in Vegas than in Milwaukee.
But bars and night clubs aren't the most important things to me. To be honest I don't care for night clubs. But I will cede Vegas almost certainly has more glitzy night clubs in casinos than Milwaukee has in its whole city. I also was blown away by how fabulous the strip clubs in Vegas are. All nude too.
There were some things I liked about Vegas. But overall it would not be my first choice city to live in and certainly not high on the list to raise a family in. I'd raise a family in NYC before Vegas.
Most the people in the casinos when I was in Vegas were middle-aged people, lots of slow, dull people and families as tourists too. Lots of international tourists. But it was nothing like the TV image of it being a city run by young, single, beautiful high rollers. The casinos simply were not that "exciting." Too many grandmothers sitting all day at slot machines. Too many broken gambling addicts and others Vegas society just threw away on the streets.
But I can't wait to here about all this mind blowing excitement in NYC.
Someone has been drinking the Milwaukee koolaid...
NYC & Vegas are places that people are excited about going to or saying they visited.
While you believe Milwaukee offers just as much & more, that's simply not true about Milwaukee.
I also think it's pretty well known that Vegas is different than most cities by not having a traditional downtown. Of course not every person there is going to be some high roller with an exotic car or model-quality stripper (no idea why people expect that but it's a sign they haven't traveled much to begin with my opinion). There's still definitely an impressive international crowd there, that you would never see in Milwaukee, especially with all those cheeseheads.
I finally saw one of those NATIVE stickers on a car, so now I can confidently say that (with respect to West Des Moines anyway) RonnieJonez complaining that all cars have them is ridiculous. I think it's the first or second I've seen in 7+ years living here.
I finally saw one of those NATIVE stickers on a car, so now I can confidently say that (with respect to West Des Moines anyway) RonnieJonez complaining that all cars have them is ridiculous. I think it's the first or second I've seen in 7+ years living here.
OMG! I forgot! I saw one the other day, too. It was the FIRST one I have ever seen, and I have lived here in DM since 2001 LOL
NYC & Vegas are places that people are excited about going to or saying they visited.
While you believe Milwaukee offers just as much & more, that's simply not true about Milwaukee.
I also think it's pretty well known that Vegas is different than most cities by not having a traditional downtown. Of course not every person there is going to be some high roller with an exotic car or model-quality stripper (no idea why people expect that but it's a sign they haven't traveled much to begin with my opinion). There's still definitely an impressive international crowd there, that you would never see in Milwaukee, especially with all those cheeseheads.
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Originally Posted by ColdAilment
Someone has been drinking the Milwaukee koolaid...
Actually, ColdAilment, I've been drinking the Tomah, Wisconsin koolaid. That and United Arab Emirates.
I like the people of small town Tomah better than I do of Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, New York, L.A. or you name the big city. Excepted the big city-states of the U.A.E. which are vastly more civilized states compared to the barbarism found in your typical All-American city. The Arabs of the U.A.E. are rich too and seem to prefer driving expensive European made cars to American made cars.
But when I stayed in the V.A. Hospital of Tomah (Tomah population roughly 9,000 contra my childhood neighborhood in Milwaukee which is roughly 30,000) it offered a different contrast to Milwaukee. The people are friendly, in general, and they will leave the keys in their car while it runs and they're in the store. But my biggest struggle was with the noise and sight depredation. Nonetheless, I knew it was not Tomah or it's people that were at fault but an inherent weakness in me due to having been reared around mobs of people and all sorts of sounds of pedestrian life (and going to sleep to police and ambulance sirens).
Small town people do not need crowds of people to hide in or get lost in. They are more at peace with themselves.
Or as one young military vet in the Milwaukee V.A. once told me, as he has frequently by his own choice lived out in Southwestern deserts of the U.S., with no one around for great distances, told me, "You have to like yourself, and be comfortable with yourself, because you will be alone and you will be face to face with yourself."
Des Moines, Iowa has to have more than Tomah, Wisconsin in terms of things to access for human capital, entertainment, and luxury.
RonnieJonez, I can see you've never taken a course in philosophy (let alone logic--a branch of philosophy) and I suspect you've never been educated in one of the natural sciences.
I state that because making assertions without a persuasive, logical (not merely emotive) argument, or without any demonstrable evidence, is all meaningless.
I would probably be living in a small town--by choice--like Tomah, Wisconsin but for the fact there are things in terms of human capital I wanted to acquire (e.g., university education, boxing, martial arts, possibly learning how to read music and to speak a foreign language etc.). Which led me back to Milwaukee.
So, in Milwaukee I can learn to read music and play jazz piano if I want to and have the drive and disciple to.
So, maybe I want to drink where early 20th Century gangster hung out and a prostitute was murdered (and many decades later human bones found hidden inside a wall).
White 1% motorcycle club: Outlaws. Black motorcycle club: Hells Lovers.
Car clubs are here too. Yachting clubs too. I'm sure there's a chess club too (I now there are at some colleges). For those that are sexual freaks there are BDSM "munches" and other things.
I don't even think New York City has a casino sitting right in the middle of the Manhattan or in any of the 5 boroughs. But Milwaukee has 1 sitting right in the middle of it.
And as for downtown Vegas it's no-downtown at all. Outside of the casinos Tomah, Wisconsin has a more vibrant downtown. And certainly LaCrosse, Wisconsin (pop. approx. 50,000) has a more vibrant downtown than Vegas.
When I was in Vegas the one restaurant (actually, I think they had 2) outside the casinos in downtown Vegas was opened only part of the day Saturday and closed completely on Sunday.
Basically, Las Vegas is no more than big casinos with small shops outside the casinos and most the people that live there (not tourists ) live in the outlying areas. Many in the suburbs.
As for your "international people" in Vegas they are all tourists. Kind of like the Americans that mob across the border to Tijuana to get drunk and party. Not particularly a huge cultural exchange going on there. Geez.
I'm not going to draw comparisons of Tomah, WI vs Las Vegas. I'm sure they both have their pluses/minuses.
So, you like that Milwaukee has small-town elements, while still being a relatively large city. The Milwaukee forum might be better for that if you're seeking validation to those points.
The Milwaukee forum might be better for that if you're seeking validation to those points.
I know this phrase doesn't come up too often in this forum but RonnieJonez is right - please keep the discussion to Des Moines/Central Iowa related topics. There is a Milwaukee forum.
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