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Old 08-15-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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BBC News - Fat 'disrupts sugar sensors causing type 2 diabetes'
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:45 AM
 
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Wonder if these people were also funded for their "ice is cold" study... talk about masters of the obvious

(The typical) high fat diet will make you fat and being fat will make you diabetic. Been there, did that, have the trashed pancreas as a souvenir..
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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Wonder if these people were also funded for their "ice is cold" study... talk about masters of the obvious

(The typical) high fat diet will make you fat and being fat will make you diabetic. Been there, did that, have the trashed pancreas as a souvenir..
This is more than that, its actually about a biochemical pathway via fatty acids, not just about weight, IIUC (though I am not sure how they normalized for BMI).
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Stamford, CT
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This is more than that, its actually about a biochemical pathway via fatty acids, not just about weight, IIUC (though I am not sure how they normalized for BMI).
I wish more of these studies were free to read so I could get a better understanding of exactly what its saying.

But, is it saying that those on a high fat diet have more free fatty acids in their blood, this fatty acid blinds cells to the level of blood sugar, so they are unable to regulate it. This then causes symptoms of type 2 diabetes? So, a surplus of fatty acids, caused by consuming fat, cause mice to be unable to regulate blood sugar?

Let me know if you find anything else on this, I'm def interested.
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Old 08-15-2011, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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This is another study conducted primarily on rodents. While it's an interesting premise, there will still have to be substantial further study in humans before any kind of conclusion can be made. I'm also somewhat skeptical based on them not mentioning exactly how high the fat intake was.
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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Could be interesting. However, they don't say if they controlled for carbohydrate consumption or at what level. Excess carbohydrates + fat is certainly going to be a problem. Fat alone doesn't appear to do all that much to blood sugar.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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Could be interesting. However, they don't say if they controlled for carbohydrate consumption or at what level. Excess carbohydrates + fat is certainly going to be a problem. Fat alone doesn't appear to do all that much to blood sugar.
Yes, it's been shown that a high fat/low carb diet that gets weight down to a normal level can actually make type 2 diabetes disappear. If it takes a high fat regimen to get you to a normal weight you then maintain you're probably better off in the long run. I seriously doubt someone eating lots of fat but maintaining carbs under 20 grams a day is going to become diabetic.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:00 PM
 
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Yes, it's been shown that a high fat/low carb diet that gets weight down to a normal level can actually make type 2 diabetes disappear. If it takes a high fat regimen to get you to a normal weight you then maintain you're probably better off in the long run. I seriously doubt someone eating lots of fat but maintaining carbs under 20 grams a day is going to become diabetic.
Exactly. The first study I saw about high-fat low-carb diets and diabetics was the one performed at Limestone Medical Center in Wilmington, DE - which is practically across the street from my in laws house. They had great success with improvements in diabetics.
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Old 08-17-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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Could be interesting. However, they don't say if they controlled for carbohydrate consumption or at what level. Excess carbohydrates + fat is certainly going to be a problem. Fat alone doesn't appear to do all that much to blood sugar.

They said something about high fat and resulting obesity.

Im assuming that the control group had low fat and average carbs, and the high fat group had high fat and average carbs.

This was NOT a test of Atkins, people. A high fat low carb diet CAN fight diabetes if it results in weight loss. JUST AS a balanced calorie restricted diet can.

It DOES mean that one line people use - that problems with diabetes mean carbs are THE culprit because diabetes is about processing carbs - is not supported by this research.
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Old 08-17-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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They said something about high fat and resulting obesity.

Im assuming that the control group had low fat and average carbs, and the high fat group had high fat and average carbs.

This was NOT a test of Atkins, people. A high fat low carb diet CAN fight diabetes if it results in weight loss. JUST AS a balanced calorie restricted diet can.

It DOES mean that one line people use - that problems with diabetes mean carbs are THE culprit because diabetes is about processing carbs - is not supported by this research.
Of course it wasn't a test of Atkins. But if they were testing the effects of one macronutrient, they need to control the other two.
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