Eat Less, Move more!! - why is it so difficult for people? (water, death)
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If it's difficult to do that I'm glad, because I need to eat more and move less. Sick of looking like a stick insect, I am to embark on a mass building program. I already know what foods help me gain weight (talking muscle here), generally lots of red meat, dairy product, starches. Oh and blood fats/chol. in excellent range BTW and 5% body fat. Put that down to my fast metabolism which everybody wishes they had except me.
Pretty sure the law of thermodynamics counts as "science".
You have no idea what you're talking about. The laws of thermodynamics have NOTHING to do with obesity. They EXPLAIN NOTHING.
"Eat less, move more " is an EXTRAPOLATION of the frist law of thermodynamics and WRONG.
The BODY RESPONDS aggressively in many ways to weight loss attempts . It is NOT passive. The BODY involuntarily regulates energy balance through neural circuitry feedback loops. This ALWAYS gets lost in the discussion.
We only "control" a very narrow range of about 10 pounds. Body weight is not under conscious control in humans OR animals. There is ENORMOUS SCIENTIFIC EVEIDENCE in support of this. YOU have not looked at the literature.
Lastly scientific laws can change JUST AS EASILY as scentifc theories. There is NO heirarchy whatsoever. They are completely different animals which serve different roles. A scientific law is NOT "better than or "above" a scientific theory. Scientific laws could change tomorrow with new evidence , gained perspectives or realizations of past mistakes.
Science does NOT AT ALL support eat less, move more" as a reliable effective treatment for obesity . IT FAILS BIG TIME.
Dr. Leibel, Dr. Rosenbaum and Dr. Jeffrey Fruiedman KNOW this and have studied this topic intensively for years.
Last edited by RickSantos; 10-24-2012 at 02:20 PM..
Eat less and move more has been the tried and true method for losing weight for, well forever. your approach is based on junk science by a few people who over complicate a simple equation.
You have BELIEFS which are not at all supported by the scientific evidence. My evidence is of top quality from Dr. Jeffrey Friedman.
"Eat less ,move more" is NOT a given WHATSOEVER. Dr. Friedman specifically addresses this. There is NO current scientific support whatsoever for "eat l;ess move more as a treatment for the obese. NONE.
It is a BELIEF BASED NOSTRUM ignorantly abnd arrogantly spouted by uneducated, uninformed people who do not keep up with the science on obesity.
Eat less and move more has been the tried and true method for losing weight for, well forever. your approach is based on junk science by a few people who over complicate a simple equation.
Obesity is ANYTHING but simple. In fact, it is hellishly complex. The unknowns about body weight regulation and obesity are FAR, FAR greater than any current knowns. Chew on that.
So based on the quantity of capital letters you're using, do you mean to angrily tell me that an obese person that reduces their food intake and increases their physical activity will not lose weight?
Your scientists sound like idiots. You're supporting their claim that the laws of thermodynamics don't govern human health. Sorry to break it to you, but the laws of thermodynamics govern everything. There's not a single human being on the planet that can hold any credibility as a "scientist" and claim that these laws are a farce.
Of course it's more complicated than "eating less and moving more" but that's a great place to start for those who have lost their way.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The laws of thermodynamics have NOTHING to do with obesity. They EXPLAIN NOTHING.
"Eat less, move more " is an EXTRAPOLATION of the frist law of thermodynamics and WRONG.
The BODY RESPONDS aggressively in many ways to weight loss attempts . It is NOT passive. The BODY involuntarily regulates energy balance through neural circuitry feedback loops. This ALWAYS gets lost in the discussion.
We only "control" a very narrow range of about 10 pounds. Body weight is not under conscious control in humans OR animals. There is ENORMOUS SCIENTIFIC EVEIDENCE in support of this. YOU have not looked at the literature.
Lastly scientific laws can change JUST AS EASILY as scentifc theories. There is NO heirarchy whatsoever. They are completely different animals which serve different roles. A scientific law is NOT "better than or "above" a scientific theory. Scientific laws could change tomorrow with new evidence , gained perspectives or realizations of past mistakes.
Science does NOT AT ALL support eat less, move more" as a reliable effective treatment for obesity . IT FAILS BIG TIME.
Dr. Leibel, Dr. Rosenbaum and Dr. Jeffrey Fruiedman KNOW this and have studied this topic intensively for years.
Let me guess. You are obese and can't lose. So you look for a bunch of hokey scientific explanations by those trying to sell you a book in order to have an excuse for remaining obese?
A healthy relationship with food and the idea that exercising is not torture is the key.
It isn't Calories in = calories out = calories burned + calories stored.
More accurately written:
Calories in = calories out = calories burned + calories stored + calories wasted.
So, it is possible a person's weight could remain the same if adjustments in exercise and calorie intake were made. The third variable accounts for this. They could waste more or less.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The laws of thermodynamics have NOTHING to do with obesity. They EXPLAIN NOTHING.
"Eat less, move more " is an EXTRAPOLATION of the frist law of thermodynamics and WRONG.
The BODY RESPONDS aggressively in many ways to weight loss attempts . It is NOT passive. The BODY involuntarily regulates energy balance through neural circuitry feedback loops. This ALWAYS gets lost in the discussion.
We only "control" a very narrow range of about 10 pounds. Body weight is not under conscious control in humans OR animals. There is ENORMOUS SCIENTIFIC EVEIDENCE in support of this. YOU have not looked at the literature.
Lastly scientific laws can change JUST AS EASILY as scentifc theories. There is NO heirarchy whatsoever. They are completely different animals which serve different roles. A scientific law is NOT "better than or "above" a scientific theory. Scientific laws could change tomorrow with new evidence , gained perspectives or realizations of past mistakes.
Science does NOT AT ALL support eat less, move more" as a reliable effective treatment for obesity . IT FAILS BIG TIME.
Dr. Leibel, Dr. Rosenbaum and Dr. Jeffrey Fruiedman KNOW this and have studied this topic intensively for years.
Biologic thermodynamics, where the energy in food goes:
It isn't Calories in = calories out = calories burned + calories stored.
More accurately written:
Calories in = calories out = calories burned + calories stored + calories wasted.
So, it is possible a person's weight could remain the same if adjustments in exercise and calorie intake were made. The third variable accounts for this. They could waste more or less.
One problem I have with the simplistic notion that weight gain or loss is a simple formula of calories eaten versus calories burned is that the body does not seem to process or react to all calories equally.
This recent small study should give some who believe this pause:
If a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, why did those eating low carb burn more calories when they all ate the same amount of total calories?
The old approach ignores the signaling that goes on in the body from hormones such as insulin and leptin that appears to react differently to the type of calorie (i.e carb/protein/fat).
And to tie this back into the original point of the thread, that's why, in my opinion, so many people with weight problems do not succeed in the long run by simply eating less and moving more.
Whether you agree with low carb, Taubes, Atkins, et al, I'm surprised so many still push this overly simplistic idea given the obesity rate in this country. It's obvious we cannot "eat less and move more" our way out of this problem as a society.
One problem I have with the simplistic notion that weight gain or loss is a simple formula of calories eaten versus calories burned is that the body does not seem to process or react to all calories equally.
This recent small study should give some who believe this pause:
If a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, why did those eating low carb burn more calories when they all ate the same amount of total calories?
The old approach ignores the signaling that goes on in the body from hormones such as insulin and leptin that appears to react differently to the type of calorie (i.e carb/protein/fat).
And to tie this back into the original point of the thread, that's why, in my opinion, so many people with weight problems do not succeed in the long run by simply eating less and moving more.
Whether you agree with low carb, Taubes, Atkins, et al, I'm surprised so many still push this overly simplistic idea given the obesity rate in this country. It's obvious we cannot "eat less and move more" our way out of this problem as a society.
Did you read the comments in your link?
The study was done with 21 people, over a short period of time, in a research situation.
"Marion Nestle, a nutrition professor at New York University, says longer studies conducted among people in their own environments, not with such controlled meals, have shown 'little difference in weight loss and maintenance between one kind of diet and another.' More research is needed to show that interesting results like these are applicable in real life, she says.
'In the meantime, if you want to lose weight, eat less.' "
The human body has not changed significantly in the last 30 years. What has changed is the sheer quantity of food we consume.
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