Eat Less, Move more!! - why is it so difficult for people? (buying, broke)
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If obesity is the incredibly complex problem you say it is, and "calories in/calories out" is wrong, then why have people used it to such great success for literally decades now?
In the late 2000s, I ate a very moderate amount of food- probably less than 1200 calories some days even- walked hours and hours per week and still had a body fat percentage over 25% due to grains. I'm MUCH slimmer even on higher calories without grains. Movement hasn't made THAT much difference I've noticed over about 25 years of exercising regularly; it's mostly what you eat and how much, and exercise helps only once you manage those two things.
Sounds about right.
If a person who regularly exercises now suddenly quits - it is unlikely he'd put any weight on at all. His calorie demand would go down and he'd eat less.
SECOND, YOU NEVER EVER ADDRESSED STEPHAN GUYENET'S PODCAST BECAUSE THE INFORMATION COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS YOUR ERRONEOUS BELIEFS.
Your rebuttal was VERY POOR. You cannot accept that calories in and calories out is NOT what obesity is. If it was it WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED MANY YEARS BACK.
Psychiatruic journals are WRONG. DR. FRIEDMAN KNOWS THE LITERATURE. HE SAID HIMSELF THE REASON FOR WEIGHT GAIN WITH ANTI DEPRESSANTS. THEY ACT ON THE SAME NEURAL CIRCUITRY.
DR. STEPHAN GUYENET BACKS ME ON THIS TOO. THEY ARE ACTUAL OBESITY RESEARCHERS.
PHYSCHIATRY HJS LITTLE SCIENCE BEHIND WHAT THEY DO. THEY HAVE NO TESTS IN MANY OF THEIR DIAGNOSES.
YOU HAVE LOST. YOU HAVE NOT DUG INTO THIS LIKE I HAVE.
OVEREASTING AND UNDERMOVING ARE NOT THE CAUSES OF OBESITY. THIS IS CLEAR IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE:
DR. SHARMA IS ANOTHER OBESITY EXPERT. PSYCHIATRISTS ARE LAUGHABLE. THEY NEVER SHOUDL BE COMMENTING ON OBESITY.
DR. SHARMA IS THE HEAD OF THE CANADIAN OBESITY NETWORK AND KNOWS DR FRIEDMAN:
The woman with Cushing's syndrome stated she ran five miles about four times a week before she gained weight. She now walks with a cane. I doubt that she can run 5 feet, much less 5 miles. So her activity has definitely changed.
So psychiatrists know nothing about neurophysiology and the pharmacokinetics of the medications they prescribe? I see.
Psychiatrists are physicians first. The physiology of the effects of the medications on brain chemistry is the basis of what they do. There's plenty of science there, bubba.
Why does it matter so much to you who knows whom?
By the way, I am not Susan. To whom are you directing your comments, Riley?
THERMODYNAMICS SAY NOTHING ABOUT OBESITY. TAUBES STUDIED PHYSICS AT HARVARD. HE UNDERSTAND THERMODYNAMICS FAR BETTER THAN YOU DO, SUSAN.
RICHARD FEYNMAN STEPHEN HAWKING, LENORAD SUSSKIND- THEY ALL WOULD LAUGH AT YOU FOR THINKING OBESITY IS A PHYSIOCS PROBLEM.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THESE PHYSICISTS ARE STUPID? DO YOU THIN EINSTEIN WAS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO CHOOSE HIS WEGHT?
ENSTEIN WAS CHUBBY AT TIMES. BODY WEIGHT IS COMPLEX. EINSTEIN OBVIOUSLY COULD NOT "CHOOSE" HIS AND HE WAS FAR SMARTER THAN ANYBODY ON HERE0- FAR SMARTER THAN ANY MOST DOCTORS.
YOU ARE POSITING A CLOSED SYSTEM WHERE NONE EXISTS. THE HUMAN BODY IS NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM.
ACTUAL PHYSICISTS KNOW OBESITY IS A BIOLOGICAL PROBLEM
Also :
when people get seriouis diseases they get super skinny idependent of claoric intake.
Some ARE eating fairly well, BUT THEY GET STICK SKINNY BEYOND THER CONTROL.
I HAVE KNOWN MANY IN MY LIFE.
THAT SAME SICKLY PERSON, IF THEY WERE HEALTHY , COULD SEMI STARVE THEMSELVES AND NOT GET ANYWHERE NEAR AS THIN AS WHEN THEY GOT SICK. ( and they are not even trying at all when they are sick, nor are they necessarily eating much less)
I HAVE MANY RELATIVES THIS HAS HAPOPNED TO- FEMALES. MOST OF THEM DID NONSENSE DIETING IN THE PAST BEFORE THEY GOT SICK
UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS.
I HAVE SEEN THIS FIRST HAND MANY TIMES.
YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN THIS. AND NEITHER CAN I. AND NEITHER CAN DR. FRIEDMAN
WEIGHT IS BEYOND POEPLE'S CONTROL FOR THE MOST PART.
MOST WE ONLY CONTROL A NARROW RANGE OF ABOUT 5 TO 10 P-OUNDS
N HUMANS AND ANIMALS WEIGHT IS REGULATED JUST LIKE BLOOD RPESSURE AND THE LIKE- INVOLUNTARILY.
A GREAT ANALOGY IS BREATHING.
BREATHING IS INVOLUNTARY MOSTLY. IT MACTHES UP WITH WEIGHT FOR THE PROPORTIONS.
YOU HAVE LOST THIS DEBATE. YOU ARE ONLY BEING ARGUMENTATIVE. I HAVE TOP CONTACTS ON THE SUBJECT. I RAISE EXTREMELY VALID POINTS.
People who get sick lose weight because they are sick. They often do not want to eat. Since we are not talking about people who do not want to lose weight, people who lose it because they have cancer or heart failure are not relevant to the discussion, Ricardo.
People with a slow thyroid , messed up adrenal glands, hormones can get fat on 800 calories a day even with exercise.
Many medications in the anti depressant class can ALTER METABOLISM . DIG A BIT. Increased appetite is NOT an explanation for ALL these drugs' ability to cuse weight gain.
The scientists I speak to are FAR BETTER QUALIFIED TO INTERPRET THE DATA than you or I. I SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THEM BY email . CONSEQUENTLY, I HAVE A DEEPER INSIGHT AND UNDERSTANDING OF THIS COMPLEX PROBLEM THAN YOU DO, AND I AM VERIFIED. THEY ARE ON MY PAGE. They would correct me if they were not.
FEEDING IS A SUBCONSCIOUSLY DRIVEN BEHAVIOR MOSTLY. THE SUBCONSCIOUS CAN OVERRIDE THE CONSCIOUS . BIOLOGY WINS OUT IN THE LON GTERM. BLAMING THE OBESE FOR GENUINE INCREASED APPETITE ( from SOME medicines or by their genetic makeup) HUNGER MAKE ZERO SCIENTIFIC SENSE.
MANY thin people STUFF themselves and do NOT get denigrated for it. We do not even have DATA that shows fat people eat differently than thin people. MANY fat poeple are NOT eating more. ALL of the thin friends I have , have LARGER APPETITES than my fat friends.
READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE:
Current anti obesity campaigns are completely USELESS ( not based on any evidence ) and dieting does NOT work:
Yuo are the VICTIM of the commercial weight loss industry's misinformation, Susan. NONE of what they do is science. They simplify a COMPLEX BIOLOGICAL PROBELM and MISUSE physics.
people who get sick lose weight because they are sick. They often do not want to eat. Since we are not talking about people who do not want to lose weight, people who lose it because they have cancer or heart failure are not relevant to the discussion, ricardo.
not everybody who gets sick eats all that much less, and not enough to explain the dramatic weight loss. THE DRAMATIC WEIGHT LOSS.There are many more diseases than cancer, susan.
With obesity rates among adults in the US at 35% and overweight adults exceeding 60%, one might reasonably question the efficacy of the standard advice to simply "eat less and move more."
What the scientists with whom RicardoSanta is so enamored are saying is that there are biologic reasons that make it very difficult for some people to lose weight and keep it off. It is important to understand those mechanisms because it should keep us from assuming folks who are obese are just "weak willed."
What RicardoSanta does not understand is that some people can and do lose weight despite whatever defensive pressures the body comes up with to maintain weight.
It does actually come down to "will power", though there is a biologic reason for it and it is not purely psychological.
RicardoSanta also ignores the fact that it is apparently easier to override those defensive mechanisms and gain weight. I suspect that is driven by the hedonistic aspects of eating. Food tastes good, we associate it with our social lives, it is abundant in this country, and more people are eating more. If you do not believe that, just go to any all you can eat buffet and watch what folks eat.
If the body narrowly defends a weight within in a range of a few pounds, the corollary to not being able to lose weight should be that we would not gain it, either. If over half the country is overweight, are we all programmed to be overweight? If so, why were we not as obese just a few years ago?
The woman with Cushing's syndrome stated she ran five miles about four times a week before she gained weight. She now walks with a cane. I doubt that she can run 5 feet, much less 5 miles. So her activity has definitely changed.
So psychiatrists know nothing about neurophysiology and the pharmacokinetics of the medications they prescribe? I see.
Psychiatrists are physicians first. The physiology of the effects of the medications on brain chemistry is the basis of what they do. There's plenty of science there, bubba.
Why does it matter so much to you who knows whom?
By the way, I am not Susan. To whom are you directing your comments, Riley?
WRONG AGAIN. THAT WAS HER YOUTH AT 21.
SHE EATS THE SAME.
LEADING UP TO HER OBESITY SHE STARTED GAINNG AND GAINING AND HER EXERCISE WAS NO DIFFERENT EITHER ( 5 miles was MANY years back)
EXERCISE DOES NOT KEEP US THIN- STUDIES SHOW IT.
SHE WAS STABLE LONMG AFTER DOING THAT. THAT ACTIVITY DOE SNOT EVEN NECESSARILY KEEP YOU LEAN. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF FAT AMATEUR MARATHON RUNNERS- EVEN IN LINDA BACON'S ARTICLE WHHC YOU DID NOT READ PROBABLY.
SHE GAINED WEIGHT DRAMATICALLY IN RECENT YEARS AND WAS NOT INACTIVE OR OVEREATING. YOU ARE IN DENIAL.
If obesity is the incredibly complex problem you say it is, and "calories in/calories out" is wrong, then why have people used it to such great success for literally decades now?
Please, riddle me that.
that is the thing. There is no 'great success. " IT IS A MYTH. DO YOU KNOW THE FAILURE RATE OF ALLLLL commercial weight loss programs. IT IS FRAUD. THEY ARE DEFRAUDING THE PUBLIC.
"Eat less, move more"has been tested scientifically as well many times. IT FAILS BIG TIME.
iI CAN TELL YOU THAT DR. FRIEDMAN DR. LEIBEL DR. BACON AND DR. GUYENET DO NOT AT ALL take "eat less move more" seriously. THEY KNOW IT'S NOT RELIABLE OR EFFECTIVE IN WELL OVER 98 % OF THE POPULATION.
You can add to this that any "success" 3 % of the people have shorter term ( 1 year or less) is re-gained after 5 years and less than 1% can maintain this ovr 10 years.
dieting could not have more evidence against it. It is a huge failure.
the work of dr. Leibel has clearly shown that:
your body has it own idea of what you should way. It has a mind of its own independent of what you do consciously, especially over the very lon g term.
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