Eat Less, Move more!! - why is it so difficult for people? (pains, binge)
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I am FAR smarter than you. Your ignorance on this topic is astounding. The fact that LIebel, Friedman ,Sharma and GUYenet ALL support what I am saying says A TON about YOUR lack of knowledge on the topic.
You cannot let go of your BELIEFS.
SEVERE OBESITY IS A DISEASE STATE AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH willpower AT ALL.
The silly, childish nostrum to "eat less and move more" does NOT solve it, not by a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot. It is NOT reliable or even effective in well over 98 % of the population. We need to MOVE PAST Hippocrates.
FRIEDMAN AND LIEBL BOTH SAY : "PEOPLE HAVE A BIOLOGY TO BE THINNER OR FATTER AND WISHING IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH. WHEN IT COMES TO OUR BODY WEIGHT, THE BODY HAS A MIND OF ITS OWN."
THAT IS THEIR MESSAGE. FRIEDMAN AND LIEBEL ARE LEADERS AND PIONEERS IN THIS FIELD WHO SPEAK INTERNATIONALLY.
DESPITE THE FACT THAT SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS HAVE SHOWN ALL OF THIS, YOU REFUSE TO LET GO OF YOUR BELIEFS.
THE BODY WILL FIGHT YOU BACK UNGODLY VORACIOUSLY IN RESPONSE TO WEIGHT LOSS ATTEMPTS. There are ALL SORTS OF TRICKS including prfound changes in gut flora. It will fight you back as if its life depended on it AND IT APPEARS TO STAY THAT WAY FOR GOOD. This is the CONSEQUENCE OF WEIGHT LOSS. THE BRAIN IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. YOU are metaboliclly a DIFFERENT PERSON after weight loss.
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DR. FRIEDMAN AND DR. LIEBEL EDUCATE OTHER SCIENTISTS, AS WELL AS DOCTORS ON THIS ISSUE. THAT IS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
WHAT IS THER MESSAGE TO OTHER SCIENTISTS.?
THEIR RESPONSE WAS " OBESITY IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS"
They are CURRENTLY TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC
Last edited by RickSantos; 12-18-2012 at 08:17 PM..
I am FAR smarter than you. Your ignorance on this topic is astounding. The fact that LIebel, Friedman ,Sharma and GUYenet ALL support what I am saying says A TON about YOUR lack of knowledge on the topic.
You cannot let go of your BELIEFS.
SEVERE OBESITY IS A DISEASE STATE AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH willpower AT ALL.
The silly, childish nostrum to "eat less and move more" does NOT solve it, not by a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot. It is NOT reliable or even effective in well over 98 % of the population. We need to MOVE PAST Hippocrates.
FRIEDMAN AND LIEBL BOTH SAY : "PEOPLE HAVE A BIOLOGY TO BE THINNER OR FATTER AND WISHING IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH. WHEN IT COMES TO OUR BODY WEIGHT, THE BODY HAS A MIND OF ITS OWN."
THAT IS THEIR MESSAGE.
DESPITE THE FACT THAT SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS HAVE SHOWN ALL OF THIS, YOU REFUSE TO LET GO OF YOUR BELIEFS.
THE BODY WILL FIGHT YOU BACK UNGODLY VORACIOUSLY IN RESPONSE TO WEIGHT LOSS ATTEMPTS. There are ALL SORTS OF TRICKS including prfound changes in gut flora. It will fight you back as if its life depended on it AND IT APPEARS TO STAY THAT WAY FOR GOOD. This is the CONSEQUENCE OF WEIGHT LOSS. THE BRAIN IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. YOU are metaboliclly a DIFFERENT PERSON after weight loss.
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DR. FRIEDMAN AND DR. LIEBEL EDUCATE OTHER SCIENTISTS, AS WELL AS DOCTORS ON THIS ISSUE. THAT IS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
WHAT IS THER MESSAGE TO OTHER SCIENTISTS.?
THEIR RESPONSE WAS " OBESITY IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS"
They are CURRENTLY TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC
Despite all the shouting and pretty colors, you continue to ignore all the people who do successfully lose weight and keep it off. How do you account for them --- other than to say, "Oh well, they are just different."
What is the recommendation for weight control with Prader-Willi syndrome, a known genetic cause of morbid obesity?
Compounding the pressure of excessive appetite is a decreased calorie utilization in those with PWS (typically 1,000-1,200 kcal per day for adults), due to low muscle mass and inactivity. A balanced, low-calorie diet with vitamin and calcium supplementation is recommended. Regular weigh-ins and periodic diet review are needed. The best meal and snack plan is one the family or caregiver is able to apply routinely and consistently. Weight control depends on external food restriction and may require locking the kitchen and food storage areas. Daily exercise (at least 30 minutes) also is essential for weight control and health.
To date, no medication or surgical intervention has been found that would eliminate the need for strict dieting and supervision around food. GH [growth hormone] treatment, because it increases muscle mass and function, may allow a higher daily calorie level."
So for this genetic cause of obesity the treatment is calorie restriction and exercise.
The cause of the obesity with Prader-Willi, uncontollable appetite, is untreatable, but the weight can be managed. It requires completely blocking access to food apart from meals.
Losing weight and keeping it off is difficult, but it can be done.
Despite all the shouting and pretty colors, you continue to ignore all the people who do successfully lose weight and keep it off. How do you account for them --- other than to say, "Oh well, they are just different."
What is the recommendation for weight control with Prader-Willi syndrome, a known genetic cause of morbid obesity?
Compounding the pressure of excessive appetite is a decreased calorie utilization in those with PWS (typically 1,000-1,200 kcal per day for adults), due to low muscle mass and inactivity. A balanced, low-calorie diet with vitamin and calcium supplementation is recommended. Regular weigh-ins and periodic diet review are needed. The best meal and snack plan is one the family or caregiver is able to apply routinely and consistently. Weight control depends on external food restriction and may require locking the kitchen and food storage areas. Daily exercise (at least 30 minutes) also is essential for weight control and health.
To date, no medication or surgical intervention has been found that would eliminate the need for strict dieting and supervision around food. GH [growth hormone] treatment, because it increases muscle mass and function, may allow a higher daily calorie level."
So for this genetic cause of obesity the treatment is calorie restriction and exercise.
The cause of the obesity with Prader-Willi, uncontollable appetite, is untreatable, but the weight can be managed. It requires completely blocking access to food apart from meals.
Losing weight and keeping it off is difficult, but it can be done.
A contortionist's ability to twist does NOT apply to th egenral public. When a "method" FAILS IN WELL OVER 98% of the population IT'S NOT VALID. The problem is the method ITSELF.
VERY few people succeed- 1 % Out of them almost NONE have true severe obesity where they weigh 600, 800 and more. BARIATRIC SURGERY is the only method that can cause signifiant loss, BUT THEY ARE STILL VERY OBESE.
The WAY bariatric surgery works is that it BENEFICIALLY INTERFERS WITH THIS REGUALTORY SYSTEM. YOu would not get the same result by simply dieting. Friedman comments on this.
Exercise does NEX TO NOTHING for weight loss. 30 minutes of walking DOES NOT AT ALL SOLVE OBESITY
AS HARVARD RESEARCHERS POINTED OUT, AS WELL AS DR. FED TUREK if obesity was just about claories in and claories out IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED YEARS AND YEARS BACK.
The situation is VERY BLEEK for the obese. This is the REALITY of the current situation and the lack of understanding of obesty that current science has. We do not understand obesity that well.
"Obesity is NOT what YOU (erroneously) think it is"
- Dr. Liebel's response when ASKED WHAT his MESSAGE was to doctors, the public and other scientists alike.
You, SuziQ, have LOST. RETHINK your erroneous position which is NOT supported by scientific research from the TOP experts in this field. Not all scientists are equal. Einstein and Feynman were examples of this.
Last edited by RickSantos; 12-19-2012 at 05:49 AM..
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DEAD WRONG. Diet and exercise do NOT solve an obese person's problem NOR DOES IT PREVENT IT.
YOU ARE WRONG BAOUT THIN PEOPLE TOO. IN FACT, IT IS EVEN HARDER TO FATTENA NATURALLY THN PERSON THAN TO REDUCE WEIGHT OF A HEAVY PERSON.
YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE IS GLARING . I TALK WITH THESE RESEARCHERS BY EMAIL - YOU DO NOT.
EXERCISE DOES NEXT TO NOTHING FOR WEIGHT. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF ACTIVE OBESE PEOPLE.
NORMAL PEOPLE CANNOT BE 500 POUNDS. THE BODY PUTS THE SQUASH ON IT. IN OBESE POEPLE SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM.
One of my close friends is obese. He weighs 320 pounds. He have tried to loose weight countless of times with little results. He eats about 2000 calories per day normally. When dieting around 1500 . The scale does not budge at all . Maybe after a month he lost 5 pounds. That is nothing for a guy weighing 320.
But 2000 cal a day is standard for him. Even at that amount he should not be 320 pounds.
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