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Old 06-20-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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Great, this will probably lead to more reliance on drugs and surgery rather than lifestyle changes.

Just what this country doesn't need.
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:29 AM
 
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I don't care for labels though I am thinking they are doing this so health insurance may cover treatment whether it be a dietician,personal trainer,therapist or other medical things.
I do feel when weight goes to an extreme whether it be over or under there is more going on then just food and finding the reason behind that and healthy ways to cope is key. That being said people do need to be responsible and though they may have not chosen this they can make the choice to help themselves even if it is hard and comes with a lot of ups and downs. I would think obesity is like another addiction such as drugs and one can make the choice to get better. A disease or health condition for ex like cancer a person can't make themselves better they can just do the best they can with treatment etc. Not sure if I am making sense.
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:01 AM
 
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Great, this will probably lead to more reliance on drugs and surgery rather than lifestyle changes.

Just what this country doesn't need.
Yup, that's my take on it as well. I also think insurances companies are now going to be forced to pay for these stupid fad diet programs. If they are going to have to pay for one, it should be WW or something just like WW. No Medi Fast, no Nurtri System, no Medi Weight Loss etc...
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Old 06-21-2013, 04:59 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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I guess its one of those lifestyle maladys, like Diabetes and Gout.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Great, this will probably lead to more reliance on drugs and surgery rather than lifestyle changes.

Just what this country doesn't need.
If surgery or (hypothetically) drugs can solve a problem a lot easier, what's wrong with that?
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Because it doesn't solve the problem and baiting people is uncalled for.
Does taking an aspirin for a headache solve the problem?

It doesn't solve the problem but neither does "lifestyle changes" or other pseudonyms fo deprivation or use of will power more than about 5% of people. Not a very high success rate.

And, what is your point about baiting people?
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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I guess its one of those lifestyle maladys, like Diabetes and Gout.
Except that obesity is curable. No need for a drug. However, the person effected needs to make the decision and possess the determination to reduce their weight. Insofar it is a two part solution. Physical, that you change nutritional input and develop better eating and lifestyle habits. The second, is mental. Excuses, denial, lack a desire. If you overcome the mental the physical is easier.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Except that obesity is curable. No need for a drug. However, the person effected needs to make the decision and possess the determination to reduce their weight. Insofar it is a two part solution. Physical, that you change nutritional input and develop better eating and lifestyle habits. The second, is mental. Excuses, denial, lack a desire. If you overcome the mental the physical is easier.

This is 100% correct.

If a medical way such as a drug became available to "cure" obesity, then why not utilize it?
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: US
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You know, comparing tobacco use to obesity is a ridiculous, asinine comparison, yet everybody does it.

Problem - alcoholism.......Solution - just quit drinking
Problem - drug addiction......Solution - just quit drugs
Problem - smoking........Solution - just quit smoking

Problem - obesity.......Solution - just quit eating..........wait a minute that doesn't work now, does it???? You don't have to smoke, do drugs, drink alcohol to live, but you DO have to eat to live.

Now I'm not saying that a lot of people don't eat what they should or eat a lot more than they should, but there are so many genetic, physical and chemical reactions in the body that makes what works for one person not work for the next. We all know at least one person who could eat anything and everything they wanted and never gain an ounce. And another person can eat everything they should but is maybe unable to physically exercise as much as they should. Have you ever had a bad back or a herniated disc or other physical problems that keep you from being able to move easily, problems that have NOT been caused by obesity but maybe caused the obesity itself due to lack of pain free mobility? So it's not as easy as lumping all overweight people into one category and calling them all slovenly pigs. And it sure as heck isn't as easy as telling someone to eat less and exercise. Maybe that's the answer, but maybe it isn't. It's up to the person to work with their doctor and develop the plan that will work for THEM. And stop comparing it to smoking as there is absolutely nothing in common between that and eating.
Just quit over eating generally results in weight loss. The point is that the brain responds to food and drugs the same way which can create a problem. The internal reward system. Actually I have had injuries when I could not exercise. I just adjusted my calorie intake level to prevent gaining weight.

Addiction to food, drugs similar in the brain - CNN.com

Brain Activity in Food Addiction Similar to Other Addictions, According to Study - ABC News

HBO: Addiction: Understanding Addiction: Addiction and the Brain's Pleasure Pathway: Beyond Willpower

"A person takes a drug of abuse, be it marijuana or cocaine or even alcohol, activating the same brain circuits as do behaviors linked to survival, such as eating, bonding and sex. The drug causes a surge in levels of a brain chemical called dopamine, which results in feelings of pleasure. The brain remembers this pleasure and wants it repeated."
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Old 06-21-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Labeling obesity as a disease is a good thing, it acknowledges that obesity is not a normal state for the human body and represents a diseased state. Of course people, that is overweight people, prefer to think of being overweight as simply a "different body type", "big boned" or other such things.....but medically it is a disease just as much as the numerous other things we call diseases. For example, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, etc are all highly correlated with diet/lifestyle even-though people often want to pretend otherwise. People don't get heart attacks randomly, its highly correlated with diet/lifestyle....just like obesity.

As with heart disease, diabetes, etc...it should be fully expected that most people will decide (or perhaps industry will decide...) to treat their disease with expensive drugs and therapies rather than deal with the underlying cause of their condition.....so this will make these options more available to people. Why should obesity be any different?
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