Large Study: Vegetarians & Vegans Don't Live Longer (buy, food, nutrition)
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Vegans are naive dreamers traumatized by Disney . They know nothing about food. They are pontificating in urban coffee houses. They make great useful idiots for big agra who would love to put us all on soylent
Yeah we should not grain feed animals and we should grow for better energy conversion in the arable zones. However in the scrub lands, oceans and tiagia aka for most of the earth's surface such farming practices are not feasible. We will just over exploit arable land.
I went to some of the articles and can hardly figure out what the points is of that last post.
It's like random free association or something....
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Vegans are naive dreamers traumatized by Disney . They know nothing about food. They are pontificating in urban coffee houses. They make great useful idiots for big agra who would love to put us all on soylent
Yeah we should not grain feed animals and we should grow for better energy conversion in the arable zones. However in the scrub lands, oceans and tiagia aka for most of the earth's surface such farming practices are not feasible. We will just over exploit arable land.
So much for peer reviewed studies. I see that you, or at least I hope you are against conventional farming and feed lots. They are deforesting the planet and are the biggest contributor to global warming. If I were to go back to eating meat it would be local and grass fed.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding veganism. I suggest you broaden your horizons and if you are going to post the detractors of it, please let them be peer reviewed and not from biased sources.
What peer review studies? what peer revised studies do you have that vegans don't use rat poison? That's your problem to prove.
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I see that you, or at least I hope you are against conventional farming and feed lots.
I am glowing in your approbation. Are you not using atrazine on your lawn so I can at least ya?
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They are deforesting the planet and are the biggest contributor to global warming. If I were to go back to eating meat it would be local and grass fed.
Not really the biggest immediate problem . the carbon economy is a racket to control the sale of air.
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You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding veganism. I suggest you broaden your horizons and if you are going to post the detractors of it, please let them be peer reviewed and not from biased sources.
Peer review...Do you know how that works? Industry funds the study on something they plan to sell and then the FDA rubber stamps it.
I was using stevia 20 years ago without "peer review". When i was growing it I am surprised I didn't land in jail.
Nope, I just get to the point. I am ruthless against argumentative tactics. When they are employed then I just don't care who cries over ir. This would include demanding scientific rigor to the mundane.
Tell me how are you going to feed the world and transport it all without using 90% of the earth surface? What "peer" review is needed? Food diversity and security is essential. We are already looking at way too much corn and soy monotony with it negative consequences .
If you need me to tell you then here ya go; its not secret.
Do rats scream when they are poisoned Do fish scream with fertilizer dead zones in the oceans? Do bees agonize over pesticides? Do vegans care about destroying salmon fishers from high water damns? Do they care about road kill or birds that die at air ports because we have to truck coconuts in Alaska , Canada, Northern Asia? Do they know they are salting California to death? Do vegans realize bees pollinate their food, enslaving them. How can you eat almonds? Should vegans own cats or have plate glass windows that kill birds?....Do they care about the over exploitation and habitat loss of the few arable zones on the earth while leaving most of the globe under utilized which could otherwise use seafood or scrub lands fit for ruminants or goats? Do they care about depleting nonrenewable water resources for their humane beans?
Grass fed pasture animals have little impact on the environment. No fertilize algae booms, no rat poison. Nothing to poison bees or birds. No glyphosate . You can eat locally . You can't use ruminants in the scrub , the mountains .
I'd hate to be histrionic so I'll just say veganism is an ecological nightmare, not to mention a socio economic nightmare given veganism is suitable to global farming combines while animal husbandry allows for far more local agriculture.
Anyway as usual another vegan says nothing about the merits on the actual human diet.
It is refreshing to see that the sarcasm/irony went zipping over the head of somebody.
I wondered if it would.
Thank you.
I'm sure this is going to send the fan boys and girls into fits of histrionics (speaking of which, anyone seen Just a Guy lately?) but this is rather interesting. The long and short of the study is that when you normalize for other lifestyle factors, vegetarians and vegans did not live any longer than their meat eating counterparts.
So, class, what conclusions can we draw from this?
Very few vegetarians know enough about what they're doing, to get enough proteins that have a complete amino-acid balance. They are also less active and dynamic and don't exercise as much as those with a natural, omnivorous diet. And their minds are closed to any arguments about the error of their ways.
Very few vegetarians know enough about what they're doing, to get enough proteins that have a complete amino-acid balance. They are also less active and dynamic and don't exercise as much as those with a natural, omnivorous diet. And their minds are closed to any arguments about the error of their ways.
Hmm, I guess I must be a rare individual indeed. I like the last line that you conveniently put in to bolster your case.
I'm sure this is going to send the fan boys and girls into fits of histrionics (speaking of which, anyone seen Just a Guy lately?) but this is rather interesting. The long and short of the study is that when you normalize for other lifestyle factors, vegetarians and vegans did not live any longer than their meat eating counterparts.
So, class, what conclusions can we draw from this?
I am not at all surprised by this.
There are so many factors to consider when looking at how long people live.
I have had clients that are cognitively intact, like long chain smoker who survived living in concentration camps in their 90s mean while I have clients in their 40s that we eating organic, never smoke and physically fit with terminal cancer. Some time is it random. No dietary change is going to 100% help avoid illness or early death. Moderation is likely the best bet to help maintain quality of life with least negative impact to the body.
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