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Let's focus on the study. The thread title, and the original post, are about a large study. Personal remarks about the poster who created this thread are of no interest to me.
It seems to me (although I am not a medical epidemiologist) that this study is pretty solid, and as such, it deserves rational and objective commentary from responders to this thread.
And that's assuming that people are vegetarian or vegan in order to live longer. They may prefer a plant-based diet for a variety of reasons. I know a few vegetarians who are veg for animal rights reasons, but they themselves don't eat a healthy diet (mac and cheese is vegetarian, but it ain't healthy.)
Yup. I'm veg'n because I simply dont like meat. Period. Whether I gain or lose a few extra years is immaterial.
Let's focus on the study. The thread title, and the original post, are about a large study. Personal remarks about the poster who created this thread are of no interest to me.
It seems to me (although I am not a medical epidemiologist) that this study is pretty solid, and as such, it deserves rational and objective commentary from responders to this thread.
OP, thanks for posting the study. I'm glad to see it.
I was a vegetarian for ten years, went back to eating meat and fish twenty years ago. I'm healthier and leaner now. It's good to know that either choice is fine, just need to determine what works best for you as an individual.
OP, thanks for posting the study. I'm glad to see it.
I was a vegetarian for ten years, went back to eating meat and fish twenty years ago. I'm healthier and leaner now. It's good to know that either choice is fine, just need to determine what works best for you as an individual.
I agree. And since human beings are omnivores, there are many ways to eat a completely healthy diet whether that includes animal products or only veggie/grains. We are all different and have different needs. None of us knows how many years we are going to get regardless of what we eat.
According to Michael Pollan: "Eat whole foods. Mostly plants. Not too much."
This makes the most sense to me. Doesn't say to be a vegan or a vegetarian, but says "eat mostly plants." That's what I follow. Works fine for ME.,...maybe not for YOU. My recent lipid panel and total cholesterol at 188 with great trigylcerides and HDL and LDL.
I eat a little red meat, some poultry, some fish, eggs and lots of vegetable protein sources from beans/legumes.
Little to none "white carbs" and minimal sugar/salt.
Yup. I'm veg'n because I simply dont like meat. Period. Whether I gain or lose a few extra years is immaterial.
I have the same idea about not eating meat. I do not care if I will live longer or not. Too many things have impact on that, starting with genetics (and you can't change it)
Yup. I'm veg'n because I simply dont like meat. Period. Whether I gain or lose a few extra years is immaterial.
That's usually the problem with vegans. Most other people just want to achieve a personal goal . Vegans typically embellish their meals with political and social ideologies which really adds nothing to the diet. It also does very little for the actual environment or animal welfare, at least when it comes to a species. There is no hope for Bison when it comes to vegans.
Well, class, you don't seem to understand why vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat.
This was my thought as well. It is funny the OP would assume fans of vegetarianism would go into "histrionics" over something like this. Perhaps some preachy types would be disappointed or rise to his bait, but for me, I am perfectly okay with knowing that I am not eating the carcass of an animal that had most likely suffered after living in filthy conditions that required the animal to be shot up with hormones and antibiotics, and I am perfectly okay with knowing my risk of becoming ill with foodborne illness is a lot lower for disregarding meat.
This was my thought as well. It is funny the OP would assume fans of vegetarianism would go into "histrionics" over something like this.
Perhaps some preachy types would be disappointed or rise to his bait, but for me, I am perfectly okay with knowing that I am not eating the carcass of an animal that had most likely suffered after living in filthy conditions that required the animal to be shot up with hormones and antibiotics, and I am perfectly okay with knowing my risk of becoming ill with foodborne illness is a lot lower for disregarding meat.
You are doing "histrionics" now.
Now I agree that avoiding animal food avoids certain risks like e coli. But then again one can avoid that risk to some degree when getting it from pasture raised animals. I could make the same sort of bogus arguments against vegans and have them eat GMO foods that are full of herbicides and pesticides that cause issues no one eating pasture raised animals faces. No hantavirus. No fumigants from the straw berry patch. Off the shelf vegan food and off the shelf animal food have issues. Yet I see vegans compare their diet to off the shelf SAD diets where I find far fewer of other ideologues suggest vegan diets consist of movie popcorn.
I'm sure this is going to send the fan boys and girls into fits of histrionics (speaking of which, anyone seen Just a Guy lately?) but this is rather interesting. The long and short of the study is that when you normalize for other lifestyle factors, vegetarians and vegans did not live any longer than their meat eating counterparts.
So, class, what conclusions can we draw from this?
Live healthier, not longer.
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