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Old 02-21-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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No, Having a Little Extra Fat Won't Make You Live Longer

https://www.livescience.com/62355-ob...scle-mass.html
Well yeah. Muscle good, fat bad. Incredible they didn't notice that in the previous research.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:28 AM
 
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Anecdotal: my two grandmothers placed end to end would have measured ~10'2" and weighed close to 700 lb--Both lived deep into their 80s and neither had a sick day in her life (and had 14 kids between 'em)-- each just didn't wake up one morning.


Obesity is an independent risk factor for NO disease. (Eg- if you eat too much and get fat, your diabetes will not be controlled and that's unhealthy-- It's not the obesity, it's the uncontrolled DM)


Metabolism slows down as we age, but so does our activity level for various reasons, and as just pointed out above, we shrink a little so we look fatter without having to gain weight. (I dropped 20 lb in the last 2 yrs-- it dropped from my chest to my waist.)


For twenty yrs now the cardiologists and nutritionists have been hemming & hawing trying to explain away "The obesity paradox"-- fatsos have a higher survival rate after a heart attack.


In general, the more fat you have saved up on your bones, the better your chances of surviving a sever illness where you may not be able to take in adequate nutrition for awhile.


Fat or not- it's important to exercise. Every morning when I wake up, I touch my knees 10 x without bending my ankles. I feel great!
Someone just posted an article saying the obesity paradox was just a stupid mistake. Muscle is heavier than fat. A person with more muscle is more active and healthy. A person with more fat is less active and less healthy. Paradox solved.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Well yeah. Muscle good, fat bad. Incredible they didn't notice that in the previous research.

Yes, it is so obvious, I'm surprised you are not against it.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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And I think the real reason metabolism slows with age is that the average modern person is physically inactive. In the past, everyone wasn't getting fatter as they got older. Some were, but probably most were not.

Since the invention of cars and TV everyone's metabolisms started slowing down.

Not to mention office work.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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Yes, it is so obvious, I'm surprised you are not against it.
If that's supposed to be funny, I don't get it. There is a constant theme in everything I say here -- a more natural lifestyle is better, and artificial drugs should be avoided if possible.

A more natural lifestyle results in stronger muscles, and less fat. So what I said here is exactly in line with everything I always say.

It's you who can't seem to understand the obvious.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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Not to mention office work.
Maybe. But sedentary work isn't really new. Sewing, weaving, various crafts, artistic and intellectual work have been around forever. It didn't cause obesity.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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If that's supposed to be funny, I don't get it. There is a constant theme in everything I say here -- a more natural lifestyle is better, and artificial drugs should be avoided if possible.

A more natural lifestyle results in stronger muscles
, and less fat. So what I said here is exactly in line with everything I always say.

It's you who can't seem to understand the obvious.
Possibly. What is your definition of a 'natural lifestyle'? And what is an artificial drug? And how can your body tell the difference between a manufactured drug and something that occurs naturally? And how does being 'natural' make you stronger?

I find blanket statements like the bolded one vague and misleading.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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Possibly. What is your definition of a 'natural lifestyle'? And what is an artificial drug? And how can your body tell the difference between a manufactured drug and something that occurs naturally? And how does being 'natural' make you stronger?

I find blanket statements like the bolded one vague and misleading.
I am not going to write a book here. IN GENERAL, a more natural lifestyle is better. It's probably easier to define an unnatural lifestyle:

Eat lots of refined carbohydrates.

Spend almost all your waking time sitting, minimal aerobic exercise.

Take artificial drugs even if not necessary (sleep aids, antidepressants, cholesterol and blood pressure lowering drugs, etc.)

Have the TV or something going all the time, so your mind is always cluttered.


The opposite of that would be a more natural lifestyle. The modern lifestyle is very bad for health. Don't say people are healthier than ever now, that is BS.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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I am not going to write a book here. IN GENERAL, a more natural lifestyle is better. It's probably easier to define an unnatural lifestyle:

Eat lots of refined carbohydrates.

Spend almost all your waking time sitting, minimal aerobic exercise.

Take artificial drugs even if not necessary (sleep aids, antidepressants, cholesterol and blood pressure lowering drugs, etc.)

Have the TV or something going all the time, so your mind is always cluttered.


The opposite of that would be a more natural lifestyle. The modern lifestyle is very bad for health. Don't say people are healthier than ever now, that is BS.
How would you know that those drugs are not needed? 'Artificial drugs' save lives. And what is an artificial drug?
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:32 PM
 
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How would you know that those drugs are not needed? 'Artificial drugs' save lives. And what is an artificial drug?
Just stop. I said EVEN IF NOT NECESSARY.

An artificial drug is manufactured. It may be a substance that occurs naturally in a plant, but it is isolated. We did not evolve to ingest manufactured substances.

SOMETIMES they can save lives. But there is intensive marketing from the drug companies, and they want us to think drugs are good for us, the more the better.

In reality, every drug has harmful side effects, because they are unnatural. Therefore, they should only be taken when absolutely needed.

And now you will say that natural substances can be harmful. Yes they can. So what? We try to avoid harmful natural substances. And we should try to avoid harmful unnatural substances also.
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