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You sure are much more knowledgeable than myself and the people I know who actually had the sleeve done. I had a Brother who got the band and he ended up gaining the weight back. We did give up soda even the diet soda. I switched to seltzer then gave up the seltzer. Now I only drink milk with cereal sometimes, zero Gatorade, 2 cups of coffee per day and water. I gave up ice cream too that is my kryptonite along with the potato chips. When I was young I would starve myself and eat bare minimum amounts of food. At one point a doctor told me I was borderline malnourished. Then the day came as I got older the cravings for sugary foods. Then came the diabetes type 2 nightmare.
I am so scared to get the sleeve also because I crave potato chips. That surgery will not help me if I still crave certain foods, snacks. Also all the pills I was told I would need to take in place of the lack of enough nutrients so I wouldn't become malnourished. None of are walking as we should. Covid got me so out of a walking routine and yep I know that is an excuse. At least my ankles do not hurt as much except when rains or snows. I got a shot for the pain so no excuses with that.
I have no clue what ghrelin is I should ask about that they might know since they got the surgery. Another thing is the excess skin. Health Insurance will not help pay for the skin removal unless it gets infected. So who want's to walk around with excess skin flopping around in their pants, not me. What happens if I get this surgery and those cravings come back? I have no willpower anymore. So it would last about 3 years if I understand you correctly. Thank you for your information I much appreciate it. I am glad I found this thread I do not get notifications when someone quotes back to me in a thread.
Certain foods give me severe gas…that’s enough of a deterrent to avoid them. But then I have malabsorption as well as the restriction of the sleeve. Restriction is too much of a diet. I can eat low carb, high protein and high fat. And I do mean high fat. I only absorb about 20% of the fat I ingest, my total cholesterol panel is picture perfect in spite of a half a stick of butter in my coffee daily. If I don’t have that butter, I can’t poop.
I’m lucky in that I was small enough when I had surgery, I don’t have a large amount of excess. Yes my skin is flappy. But I’ll take flappy over fat. I’m 12.5 years out, smaller than I’ve ever been in my entire adult life. Since we moved to a new area, doctors don’t blame everything on my being overweight much less obese cause they’ve never seen me anything other than normal BMI. I don’t get the “you need to lose weight” for something as simple as a hangnail. In fact this month, I’ve been called tiny about 5 times in doctors offices. Medical professionals take my complaints as real, not as someone just being obese. Medical do treat obese people terribly. There is fat discrimination in the medical community.
Certain foods give me severe gas…that’s enough of a deterrent to avoid them. But then I have malabsorption as well as the restriction of the sleeve. Restriction is too much of a diet. I can eat low carb, high protein and high fat. And I do mean high fat. I only absorb about 20% of the fat I ingest, my total cholesterol panel is picture perfect in spite of a half a stick of butter in my coffee daily. If I don’t have that butter, I can’t poop.
I’m lucky in that I was small enough when I had surgery, I don’t have a large amount of excess. Yes my skin is flappy. But I’ll take flappy over fat. I’m 12.5 years out, smaller than I’ve ever been in my entire adult life. Since we moved to a new area, doctors don’t blame everything on my being overweight much less obese cause they’ve never seen me anything other than normal BMI. I don’t get the “you need to lose weight” for something as simple as a hangnail. In fact this month, I’ve been called tiny about 5 times in doctors offices. Medical professionals take my complaints as real, not as someone just being obese. Medical do treat obese people terribly. There is fat discrimination in the medical community.
Congratulations on 12.5 years surviving that surgery and changing your life. NOt only that but you didn't gain it all back like so many people do. Although most of it is the weight they have just did what mine did ad dropped down. I can't eat low carb to much or as much as I should. I am hungry all the time and it's not just the TV or boredom. Protein does nothing to stop from being hungry. My cholesterol is high without that one little pill. Maybe it's the butter that makes me go and I mean go not normal there is just no shape at all with my #2. I'm just coming off the BRAT diet and now a little better. I think I have an allergy to dairy. Eggs, milk even lactose free, mayonnaise all torture me. I can get away with some butter but for how long who knows. I am going to be 65 soon and I'm wondering if I am too old to do this sleeve surgery. The skin would be way to large for me to live with so I would need it cut. I have to make a decision soon or it will be to late to even try.
Can you take something like equate to help you at least poop solid poop? that is my problem it is like water sometimes. Though a few weeks ago I could swear I caught some kind of virus.
Congratulations on 12.5 years surviving that surgery and changing your life. NOt only that but you didn't gain it all back like so many people do. Although most of it is the weight they have just did what mine did ad dropped down. I can't eat low carb to much or as much as I should. I am hungry all the time and it's not just the TV or boredom. Protein does nothing to stop from being hungry. My cholesterol is high without that one little pill. Maybe it's the butter that makes me go and I mean go not normal there is just no shape at all with my #2. I'm just coming off the BRAT diet and now a little better. I think I have an allergy to dairy. Eggs, milk even lactose free, mayonnaise all torture me. I can get away with some butter but for how long who knows. I am going to be 65 soon and I'm wondering if I am too old to do this sleeve surgery. The skin would be way to large for me to live with so I would need it cut. I have to make a decision soon or it will be to late to even try.
Can you take something like equate to help you at least poop solid poop? that is my problem it is like water sometimes. Though a few weeks ago I could swear I caught some kind of virus.
I eat the fat so I can poop. Mine is formed but soft. If I didn’t eat the fat, I’d end up trying to birth a brick.
I was lactose intolerant for many years til another patient mentioned a product called Bactose. I take it one week a month and am able to drink milk no issue. Eggs have never been an issue.
I know quite a few individuals in their 60’s getting surgery. Depends on your primary care and the surgeon.
Our daughter worked very hard to lose a bunch of weight, and she let her guard down one Christmas and gained back all her weight.
She had surgery by a general surgeon (now retired) in Virginia Beach that was the granddaddy of bariatic surgery. He had a fine tune machine with psychologists and nutritionists in house. He wanted to make sure patients were ready for the surgery and not going to go back to their old eating ways.
Our daughter had the surgery, and she lost the weight. And for awhile, she was eating well and on the program. But she slowly gained back the weight--like the vast majority of bariatric surgery patients do. Her reduced stomach has stretched, and she has chronic diarrhea.
But she can no longer eat very much at one time. And she has difficulties digesting medicines and vitamins that she badly needs. She stays anemic all the time. She's had a number of bone issues relating to her nutrition, and she had her second shoulder surgery last month.
My wife is a Medical Technologist specializing in Special Chemistry. She's convinced many of her daughter's health issues are directly related to the bariatric surgery. We are not fans of that surgery unless the patients are really mortally obese. And I'm not talking about 200 lbs.
Our daughter worked very hard to lose a bunch of weight, and she let her guard down one Christmas and gained back all her weight.
She had surgery by a general surgeon (now retired) in Virginia Beach that was the granddaddy of bariatic surgery. He had a fine tune machine with psychologists and nutritionists in house. He wanted to make sure patients were ready for the surgery and not going to go back to their old eating ways.
Our daughter had the surgery, and she lost the weight. And for awhile, she was eating well and on the program. But she slowly gained back the weight--like the vast majority of bariatric surgery patients do. Her reduced stomach has stretched, and she has chronic diarrhea.
But she can no longer eat very much at one time. And she has difficulties digesting medicines and vitamins that she badly needs. She stays anemic all the time. She's had a number of bone issues relating to her nutrition, and she had her second shoulder surgery last month.
My wife is a Medical Technologist specializing in Special Chemistry. She's convinced many of her daughter's health issues are directly related to the bariatric surgery. We are not fans of that surgery unless the patients are really mortally obese. And I'm not talking about 200 lbs.
A malabsorbtive procedure requires the patient be anal about labs and vitamins. I get extensive labs yearly, it was semi-yearly til I was 10 years out and stable. I’ve learned to read my own labs with my primary’s help. We discuss what I need to adjust. I know I have osteoporosis but am working with a specialist. But at 68 and female, I’m pretty sure my surgery had nothing to do with that. In fact, I’m more aware of dealing with it than if I had not had surgery.
Anyone who meets the definition of morbidly obese has the option of surgery should they decide along with their doctor. Even those of us on the low end of the morbidly obese scale. I spent a lifetime trying to lose weight without surgical help. The surgery fixed my metabolism.
Butter in coffee? I just thought what about Avocados? The few and rare times I feel backed up the avocado that is just ripe enough will do the trick. Another way for me is put some butter on a saltine cracker or something with mayo.
Butter in coffee? I just thought what about Avocados? The few and rare times I feel backed up the avocado that is just ripe enough will do the trick. Another way for me is put some butter on a saltine cracker or something with mayo.
Maybe some of those would help you.
I REALLY REALLY want to like Avocado but I just can’t get past the taste or texture. I’ve tried several times. I also hate guacamole.
And yes, butter in coffee.
Think about it, what is butter? Churned cream. Many add cream to coffee.
Still so much misinformation being stated over and over.
Fact #1- most obese people start off with low vitamin levels. We didn’t eat healthy enough to have “good” numbers. Personally, I was low or deficient in nearly everything prior to RNY. The 6 months approvals process, I focused on getting those numbers up, practicing new eating habits, etc.
#2- if you have a surgery leading to the loss of your intrinsic factor and malabsorption of vitamins and minerals, you better be on board with appropriate daily supplementation for life. Or you’ll find yourself with nasty deficiencies and possibly irreversible neurological damage. For RNY, that supplementation is very specific about what you need to take, in what form and how much. Rule of thumb 300% of the daily recommendation of everything, no gummies and no extended release. Easy way to achieve that, buy vitamins specifically formulated to the surgery, take aa instructed, and go for regular bloodwork.
My bariatric surgeon and I have closely monitored my bloods and recognized the downward trend on iron despite supplementing appropriately- so the conclusion is iron infusions quarterly. I get my B12 shot along with it, so two less things to take each day.
#3- the fallacy of gaining it all back. I’m not going to keep pulling the data but suffice to say, posters repeating that are dead wrong. Total regain people are outliers and they have failed themselves. It’s not the surgery, the surgeon or the program- it’s you.
Re: the question of what is ghrelin- ghrelin is the appetite hormone. With RNY production of ghrelin is decreased and with VSG (the sleeve) decreases it significantly .
Personally, I cannot do a high fat diet as I dump and no longer have a gallbladder. A two fold bad results combination
#3, gaining it all back. Sometimes, the person opted for the wrong surgery for themselves. Like getting a sleeve when they need a malabsorbtive procedure.
For a sleeve, the next obvious step is the Duodenal Switch because they keep their sleeve. They just add the malabsorption.
#2, except for using bariatric formulas of vitamins, you are dead on. I get my labs done yearly now but until I was 10 years out and stable, I was getting them down every 6 months. My PCP handled mine cause my surgeon was no longer accepting my insurance. And we had moved far away. And most bariatric surgeons do not accept other surgeons patients. I get about 15 vials done yearly looking at so many things, except for two lab values, everything else is high side of normal. B6 and PTH need to be low normal. But I get most of my vitamins are found on Amazon.
As far as fact #1, you are correct. That’s why we encourage preops to get labs before surgery so they can correct reall bad deficiencies if they have time, like D that’s in the toilet.
I eat the fat so I can poop. Mine is formed but soft. If I didn’t eat the fat, I’d end up trying to birth a brick.
I was lactose intolerant for many years til another patient mentioned a product called Bactose. I take it one week a month and am able to drink milk no issue. Eggs have never been an issue.
I know quite a few individuals in their 60’s getting surgery. Depends on your primary care and the surgeon.
I looked up Bactose in a search engine on the net and can't find if it is prescription or over the counter
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