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Originally Posted by Viralmd
I didn't say EVERY puppy mill puppy has papers.
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I know you didn't say "papers" which could mean from any registry whether that be AKC, ACA or APRI, ect. You actually specified AKC registration. Sorry if you meant something else but I took it as how it was written.
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Originally Posted by Viralmd
APRI is a marketing tool. Meaningless. However, an AKC registration is also pretty meaningless. Every puppy mill puppy has an AKC registration.
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Many do. Many are forged, too. But they're meaningless. All you need to do is to see a mill puppy with such bad knees and hips that it can't even walk. Then they tell you it has AKC papers. And the papers do what for the dog? I work in pug rescue and we get AKC mill puppies all the time. Not even close to the breed standard. And quite sick, with malformations and diseases that are due to poor breeding. ALL with AKC papers.
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The papers don't do anything for the dog. Papers are not for the dogs, they are for the humans. The papers do something for the person when they view the pedigree. It tells you there isn't health testing, hence the health problems. It also shows where the pup is coming from reputable breeders or byb/mills. That again is why the papers can be important, if you're going to buy a mill dog with papers then it'd make a lot more sense to just go to a shelter or rescue rather then support a mill directly.
Those mill Pugs all have AKC papers. Not every mill dog does.
I would expect them to have health issues, probably temperament issues and more then likely not conform to the breed standards. They are not from reputable kennels, but puppy mills.
I know dogs come into rescue and shelters with AKC or other papers often enough, I've had a few papered rescues. Its up to the person to do the research before getting a pup. It is also up to people to file a complaint against those breeders, but many never do. But they complain nothing is done. If I worked at the shelter and had a dog handed over with AKC paperwork I'd be contacting AKC about that breeder. Especially if there was a genetic health issue involved and other health problems.
It is also a problem with the people who get their dogs from these sources. If they didn't support financially do you think mills would stay in business? No way!
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The AKC does nothing to regulate or police the people who breed. NOTHING. They keep paperwork. That's not the same as requiring their members to take good care fo their dogs. Prove that they do something besides paperwork (like inspecting their members' facilities), because you can't prove a negative.
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AKC does a few things to regulate breeders.
Nothing would be the opposite. Do they catch every bad breeder? Do they step in on every mill? Do they stop all the bybs? No, not even the USDA does that and it is their responsibility to see that the law is being upheld when it comes to kennel requirements. Yet some with horrid mills (who have many, many dogs living in terrible conditions with serious problems) never receive a single inspection in years. I'm not sure how the AKC is supposed to have enough people employed to do the USDA's job for them 100%. If that were they case then they'd be an actual inspection organization or agency.
The knowledge of the AKC kennel inspection program is publically available for anyone to view. Its up to you to disprove it as a lie or fake. Of course then there are those people who were busted because of an AKC inspection and that is why they register ACA or ConKC. Perhaps they too are lying how the mean, bias people at AKC took their registration privileges away.
I don't give a flip about the AKC honestly. I don't have AKC breeds/registered dogs. I like the registries I use and don't wish for AKC recognition but I'm honest enough to admit that AKC does a lot more then any other registry in this country when it comes to upholding policy and regulations. Some other registries have a couple little policies to promote honesty and integrity in pedigree and records, but not much else. Others do nothing, you send them $10 they'll send you your registration. If your dog is a mutt but you send a fake pedigree of made up names it only matters that they have their $10.
What AKC does
*Kennel Inspects, have kennel and condition requirements
*DNA testing at kennel inspections
*Requires DNA profile for FUS who sire 7 (or more) litters a lifetime OR
over 3 litters within a year
*List health screening results - this is very important to those looking to purchase or adopt a dog from a breeder As then they wouldn't exactly have to worry about bad knees and hips
*Has Limited Registration (It'd be nice is more registries had this)
*Breeders are supposed to keep records on their dogs, breedings and dogs/pups sold for 5 years - these records can be requested at any time and the dogs can be inspected and tested at any time
*You can lose your registration privilages for refusing to give records or not keeping records, same with inspection and DNA program
A few other good things, though not related to breeding requirements
*Donated over 17 million to Canine Health Foundation
*Created CAR to help get lost pets back to their family
*Created DOGNY whichs supports SAR nationwide
*Registered handlers program
If you feel that AKC doesn't do enough that is one thing, to say they do nothing is another thing and untrue. Only being AKC registered means "nothing" in and of itself but registration where pedigree is concerned means something. Sometimes something good and sometimes something bad. So it is still helpful to look at the AKC paperwork and pedigree to determine is this breeder good or shady. That is the concept I'm speaking of, not that AKC means you also get a good dog from a great breeder nor that every AKC dog is in the hands of a good breeder.
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