Minimum Wage vs A Liveable Wage (currency, Ocala, expenses, purchase)

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Slowpoke_TX

The pro-entitlement crowd seems to think that an unfortunate event happening to an unprepared person creates an obligation upon the rest of us.

Couldn't have said it better.

For instance....."stay out of our bedroom!" Turns into "okay, come in and raise my child, fix my STD or pay for my abortion!"

[Wolfpacker]

Originally Posted by alphamale

That's the problem with lefties.....the emote rather than think.

They seem to want the government right by their side for ANY eventuality.

$12,000,000,000,000 that's 12 TRILLION dollars have been wasted trying to help each individual who happens to have something in their lives go wrong.

Sure, I feel for people in those situations, but would never support the tax payer supporting them.

I don't dispute the number, but do you have a link for that stat?

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by Slowpoke_TX

The pro-entitlement crowd seems to think that an unfortunate event happening to an unprepared person creates an obligation upon the rest of us.

Some events do, some don't.

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Couldn't have said it better.

For instance....."stay out of our bedroom!" Turns into "okay, come in and raise my child, fix my STD or pay for my abortion!"

In a lot of cases, yes.

But not all. You shouldn't ignore uncommon events simply because they're uncommon, if they collectively add to a non-negligible likelihood of happening to an individual.

[kwhitegocubs]

Originally Posted by Costaexpress

It is also about transforming society. When enough people depend on government aid, you can no longer argue for much freedom. The truly needy are plentiful by then. People were made into being truly needy.

At that point, you'll see people leaving, businesses destroyed, and more and more government intervention. Pgople being people, they won't like it. Yet they are miserable. The source of evil is of course those who have more. When things are miserable enough, who has the rational thinking to analyze things? Left wing politicians then take advantage of that. Ultimately, violence is a given, and it's going be a "we told you so" situation.

Strange, then, how nations with more generous social welfare that has less strings attached have not fallen into the vicious cycle you propose...

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by alphamale

That's the problem with lefties.....the emote rather than think.

They seem to want the government right by their side for ANY eventuality.

$12,000,000,000,000 that's 12 TRILLION dollars have been wasted trying to help each individual who happens to have something in their lives go wrong.

Sure, I feel for people in those situations, but would never support the tax payer supporting them.

If we're just going to accuse each other of "emoting", we are wasting our time.

Please be specific on what your position is and argue for it.

[Costaexpress]

Originally Posted by Slowpoke_TX

The pro-entitlement crowd seems to think that an unfortunate event happening to an unprepared person creates an obligation upon the rest of us.

And having sympathy or voluntary help is no longer accepted. You must all pay. Or the government will have its way with you. This kind of mentality shed some light and help us understand what happened to our society and why businesses left us.

Entitlement won't go away until people have to put it away. I would say that immigrants are overwhelmingly hardworking and have a sense of reality. They deserve to be rewarded with jobs. Having more immigration at the middle class level will help us stay competitive in the global economy and bring a less privileged attitude to our middle class. The elitist white liberal class is doing many things that hurt our prosperity, all based on the ideas spoon fed to them.

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by Costaexpress

And having sympathy or voluntary help is no longer accepted. You must all pay. Or the government will have its way with you. This kind of mentality shed some light and help us understand what happened to our society and why businesses left us.

Entitlement won't go away until people have to put it away. I would say that immigrants are overwhelmingly hardworking and have a sense of reality. They deserve to be rewarded with jobs. Having more immigration at the middle class level will help us stay competitive in the global economy and bring a less privileged attitude to our middle class. The elitist white liberal class is doing many things that hurt our prosperity, all based on the ideas spoon fed to them.

Immigration reform is a separate matter from minimum wage.

[Costaexpress]

Originally Posted by kwhitegocubs

Strange, then, how nations with more generous social welfare that has less strings attached have not fallen into the vicious cycle you propose...

It's not been long enough yet. And they don't yet have diverse populations. But things are changing. Across Europe, demographics, cultures, languages, religion, traditions, are all changing. Global capital is transforming euroeps real estate market, job market, and education market. Those countries will gradually become more like the US today, while the US becomes more like Central America.

With the rise of China, India, Brazil, and Russia, global competition will increase. That is a national competition for innovation, prosperity, resources (water!), and geopolitical interests. But even more interesting is the individual competition, the competition among workers and professionals on the global job market and the globalized American job market.

Countries with generous welfare aren't the future. They are the last chapter of a bygone era. They will stick around for a while, but will inevitably change overtime.

[Costaexpress]

Originally Posted by ncole1

Immigration reform is a separate matter from minimum wage.

Separate or not, it's all part of economics. Immigration must continue regardless of minimum wage. Both high end and low skill immigration. We need unentitled workers.