50 Percent Of American Workers Make Less Than 28,031 Dollars A Year (student loan, 2013)

[BradPiff]

50 Percent Of American Workers Make Less Than 28,031 Dollars A Year

[mathjak107]

and 50% make more. does anyone really care what others have supposedly? not really. between cost of living differences and subsidies and tax incentives that can be the equal of 50-60k for someone else .

[Waterlily Pad]

From the linked article: "Because it is so difficult to find a good job in America today, I often recommend to people that they should consider starting their own businesses.

But thanks to the bureaucratic control..., small business ownership in America today is at an all-time low.* It is almost as if they don't want the "little guy" to win.* Every avenue of prosperity for the middle class is under assault..."

Reminds me of the entrepreneurial Oregan girl selling home-made mistletoes on the street was shut down, and told panhandling however is allowed there.

American middle class, may you rest in peace.

[Rakin]

Let's keep the borders open and let in another 10-20 Million. Maybe we can then get that 50% up to 70%.

[Delahanty]

And if, according to that article, it takes $50K a year to "support a middle class lifestyle for a family of four," two wage-earners in that family would easily exceed that.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

and 50% make more.

But 100% of the children in Lake Wobegon are above average.

[Lowexpectations]

Originally Posted by Delahanty

And if, according to that article, it takes $50K a year to "support a middle class lifestyle for a family of four," two wage-earners in that family would easily exceed that.

Yup and the average doesn't take into account any skill which is somewhat important

[cdelena]

I am thinking this whole discussion is off the mark... there is no differentiation between part time and full time workers. There has been a large increase in part-time, contract, and occasional employment in the last twenty years so comparisons to historical data must be done very carefully.

[James420]

Originally Posted by BradPiff

50 Percent Of American Workers Make Less Than 28,031 Dollars A Year

That's disgusting! The top 10% have made sure they can have their,yachts, 3 or 4 beach homes, while their employees struggle to make ends meet. Once greed took over in this country back in the 80's it's been downhill for the majority of Americans ever since.

[jotucker99]

Average pay for 2013 was $43,041 — down $79 from the previous year when measured in 2013 dollars.........And please keep in mind that "average pay" is really skewed by the millionaires and billionaires at the top end of the spectrum.

This is totally true, it's just like how they say the "average" return on a college degree is $1 million more (some say only $250k more) over a lifetime but that includes ALL of the top 1% of income earners schewing that number higher than it should be.

I totally agree with these numbers from the article below in relation to America today:

-39 percent of American workers made less than $20,000 last year.
-52 percent of American workers made less than $30,000 last year.
-63 percent of American workers made less than $40,000 last year.
-72 percent of American workers made less than $50,000 last year.

It has been estimated that it takes approximately $50,000 a year to support a middle class lifestyle for a family of four, and so the fact that 72 percent of all workers make less than that amount shows how difficult it is for families that try to get by with just a single breadwinner.

This is wrong, for a family of FOUR you need at least $80,000 a year in a low cost of living area to reasonably support that family in terms of needs and also wants/desires. I guess if you delete the wants/desires, you could squeeze it down to around $65,000 but I would say $65,000 is the bare minimum.

With each passing day, more Americans are losing their spots in the middle class and this has pushed government dependence to an all-time high. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans now live in a home that receives money from the government each month. This is completely and totally unsustainable, but our long-term economic problems just keep getting worse.

I have said it on this forum, in business clubs, political clubs, and ANYWHERE that people will listen to me....folks, America is on the decline. What you are seeing here is the elimination of the Industrial Age/Low Skilled Job Economy, to now an Economy that requires you to have SPECIALIZED SKILLS within 1 - 3 areas that are in high demand not just in the US, but globally, meaning you could work domestic or international or both.

The people that will MAKE it in this Economy, will be those with the Specialized Skills. Everybody else will NOT make it and will seek to live off the Government. However, the Government is very limited in what it can do, 50% of all Americans receive something from the Government today, but by 2020 expect that to be 60%. By 2030, expect it to be 70% - 75%. By 2040, expect that to be 80%. This means that by 2050, America will probably have fallen through the damn floor. The Government won't be able to support the UNSKILLED anymore, and those with the SKILLS (seeing as though they are in demand globally) would have LEFT the United States for more better and structural balances in other countries.

The decline is coming folks, you can blame this on just "some" of the stupid policies below:

- Mocking of education, so less and less people become "nerds" specializing in the HIGH DEMAND areas.

- Dumbing down of Education just to get people to "graduate," but them graduating with a piece of paper means nothing if they are stupid, can't critically think, and can't properly plan. For evidence of this just look at the student loan situation. How many "college educated" graduates have said that they didn't fully "understand" how their student loans worked? They didn't understand how the interest was calculated, capitalized, etc.? If they can't figure out something SIMPLE as Contract Law and Interest Rates, how in the hell do we expect these people to move into these Specialized Skilled Areas? Lol, they won't move into those areas, they will most likely graduate with a Liberal Arts Degree which is just as UNSKILLED as a HS Graduate is.

- Hand holding of irresponsible behavior from women, which through the help of the Family Court, has helped destroy the Family Structure through replacing the Man with the Government. Causing them to continue in their irresponsible behavior like making 5 kids from 5 different thugs, and looking for 5 separate welfare checks each month INSTEAD of developing your talents and skills. This destroys the chances of those children to become ANYTHING of value to society in terms of getting into these specialized skills, instead the children go from "welfare" as babies/teens, to "welfare" as single mothers or "prison welfare" as convicts.

- Bad Export/Import Policy that sent too many jobs overseas for tax breaks. Extremely stupid. You could have opened up the trade barriers for Globalization, but you didn't have to setup tax breaks for moving production overseas, smh.

- Government getting bigger and bigger, seeking to add more and more people to its rolls for their "make work" jobs.

- Destroying the US Dollar, causing massive INFLATION

I can go on and on. It's the Democrats AND the Republicans' problem. They have BOTH crashed America. While you sat around stuffing your face with high salty, high buttery, high fattening POPCORN watching Dancing With The Stars, your damn country has been falling apart.