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Old 01-31-2017, 05:31 AM
 
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Yep, if you are an industrial electrician who can program in PLC and DCS, you can pretty much write your own ticket. Local 3 electricians have to buy their job, while automation systems companies will hire apprentices with good academic skills and pay them to learn the field. A local lumber mill just hired an apprentice electrician with an associates degree from a CC in Wisconsin. He'll never go hungry.
it is ironic but it took local 3 decades to come up to speed . their guys were basically wire and pipe slingers

most local 3 electricians knew nothing about industrial controls ,drives and plc's . the non union contractors zoomed right in to that area and dominated most of the popular industrial's in the area . basically they installed the control systems we designed and built .
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Old 01-31-2017, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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in the 20 years i was with them as a sales engineer (with no actual degree ) they went from an 8 million dollar company to 100 million with most of the growth and hiring since 2008 as factory's and facility's looked to cut costs by automation ,energy mgmt and better efficiency with less people .
Not surprising at all. Automation will be a big growth sector for a couple decades at least. For anyone with an aptitude for the field it's a great place for a career.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Google way ahead in driverless cars: https://www.ft.com/content/77680d24-...b-c88452263daf

"The data show that Waymo, the driverless car unit of Alphabet, logged 30 times more miles of testing in autonomous vehicles than all of its competitors combined last year in California. Its cars were also the most accurate, with human intervention needed for safety reasons only 0.2 times per thousand miles."
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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WEll, rruf:

Just wait, we will shortly have Star Trek "replicators" and "Holodecks" to take care of everything!

What WILL the wealthy do? Sit back and invest money to sustain their lives? Who will buy? Even their lives will become boring.

Several capitalists have found out they cannot GIVE away their fortunes faster than they make it.

AND money on paper...*poof* can vanish in a heart beat.

THEN who is going to clean those 52 room mansions? Certainly not the wealthy...and robots can only do so much. Who is going to repair those robots? Certainly not the wealthy. No one wealthy person "can do it all", even with an ivy league ed-you-kation.

Perhaps the wealthy WILL take over the world and the peeons will go completely away, but even amongst the wealthy, not all are equal. There will be "wealthy peeons" and "poor wealthy"! And without blatant person-cide, genocide or whatever, the wealthy can't get rid of us fast enough in one generation or during their lifetimes. AND, the wealthy are NOT exempt from diseases, cancers and the like. They will, if nothing else, need to provide peeons AND health care to the peeons to test what works on humans to "cure" them, just the way we use lab mice now, to make sure teh new breed of wealthy aren't wiped out.

If the peeons revolt, it is far easier for the peeon multitudes to take out a few rich people than for the few wealthy to take out all of us. Hitler DIDN'T manage to rid the world of Jews fast enough, now did he? AND he took his OWN life in the end.

When the buggy whips were no longer needed, those buggy whip makers either retired or learned a new skill or trade, something perhaps in the auto accessory department. At least the smart ones did. SO the peeons will have to learn to program, build and maintain the robots and computers. SO the wealthy CANNOT do it ALL. And if there's no one left of lower class, WHO will they "hire to do it for me"?

The wealthy cannot do it all alone, NO ONE WEALTHY person can come up with ideas and designs and stuff, but will still need people with ideas and ideas on how to implement/program robots, oversee robots to make those ideas the wealthy have come true.

The wealthy have a bad habit of "hiring someone to do that for me", who will they hire? Other wealthy? why should Bill Gates work for Warren Buffet? Will Warren Buffet clean Bill's toilets? Oh, yeah those robotic toilets clean themselves, well they will eventually break down, and where will the wealthy take a crap? step back in time to use an outhouse? {for those wealthy who KNOW what an outhouse is?} [anyone here who doesn't...think port-a-potty with no blue fluid in the bottom]

Had the industrialists of the 1800s thought the way you do, we'd ALREADY ALL be obsolete, yet here we are! Still alive and kicking and living longer than ever!

DO you really think the wealthy will want to give up their mansions, yaghts {? I can't spell it cause I don't own one}, and private jets? Robots and computers CAN'T design, test, manufacture and fly/sail and maintain them! There WILL have to be SOME human intervention! JUST as the Wealthy CANNOT do it all alone, the robots and computers can't.

There are Billions and trillions of people across the thousands of years of recorded history/assumed history where the wealthy have tried to eliminate the peeons, yet here we all are. You think the wealthy of today are the first ones to try?

Why do you think the poor people keep breeding? Because they must. Ok, so the wealthy make it mandatory sterilization upon birth, and limit their own reproduction cycles. Hmm, the TOTAL human population could die out then. China ALREADY found out their "one child" order to be detrimental to the country's survival.

And lastly, who, besides robots, are going to be there when the wealthy kick the bucket? Most of us, given a choice, DON'T want to die alone. What happens to that last wealthy person's ggggggranchild who is left to die alone?

NO there will ALWAYS be a need for some sort of class system, capitalism or not, democratic or not. EVEN among the surviving wealthy

It Is NOT always a "good day to be King". Someone {or somehting or a germ if nothing else} will ALWAYS be there trying to TAKE YOU OUT.

What you are proposing, is CERTAINLY a vote FOR "Preppers"! They will survive, those who CAN grow their own food, and "live off the land", make what they "need", no robots, computers or wealthy need apply. And If they make NO MONEY, then there is nothing for the wealthy to TAX, even if they bought up all the land. The wealthy will be tired of being tithed 20% of zuchinni and yellow squash, after all, how much can they eat? I have been lightly developing a preppers mentality and the supplies to back it up for years. When the money runs out because the wealthy have hogged it all, I want to be able to eat, even if it is on their land. The wealthy few CANNOT protect all the land for themselves, even with robotic firearms protectors. Crafty peeons will disabled them somehow! JSut liek the enemies in ANY wartime period in history. MANY generations of FORT or CASTLED "wealthy" have found THAT over and over again in history!

THere are vulnerabilities in every system. CLosed eco systems prepared to test systems for a journey to mars have proven time and time again to....FAIL. SO will a system of the wealthy systematically deleting us peeons in favor of proprietary system made up exclusively for Them. Then THEIR system is/will be at risk. AND the SMART wealthy will recognize this.

The world and its populations have survived eons. Unless we totally obliterate ourselves, wealthy included, the little people WILL survive, just like Cockroaches and alligators have.

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Old 02-02-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Google way ahead in driverless cars: https://www.ft.com/content/77680d24-...b-c88452263daf

"The data show that Waymo, the driverless car unit of Alphabet, logged 30 times more miles of testing in autonomous vehicles than all of its competitors combined last year in California. Its cars were also the most accurate, with human intervention needed for safety reasons only 0.2 times per thousand miles."
That of course would be the problem. That number has to be 500 times better than that. Once per million miles would seem more suitable. Remember there are no human interventions. So the present number would an accident every other year or so. That won't fly.
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Old 02-02-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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That of course would be the problem. That number has to be 500 times better than that. Once per million miles would seem more suitable. Remember there are no human interventions. So the present number would an accident every other year or so. That won't fly.
humans have a higher accident rate than that, also with increased automated car usage, the accident rate will decrease as it becomes more predictable, they all use the same rules and follow them exactly, without a human to introduce deviation to the routine
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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That number has to be 500 times better than that. Once per million miles would seem more suitable.
1 million miles would be 200 times better, and I agree, it needs to be that good. It's still early days though, and in 10 years the hardware and software will certainly be that much more capable. I expect the driverless system to perform much better than any human driver on the planet.
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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What WILL the wealthy do? Sit back and invest money to sustain their lives? Who will buy? Even their lives will become boring.
All of your questions have been answered multiple times. Most of them in the first post, and the rest in the first couple pages.

If you actually look and think and still have specific questions, I'll be happy to entertain them.
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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AI is becoming more sophisticated. We have already reached the point that key industries have to switch to robot workers or lose market share.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-art...56320?mod=e2fb
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Those that think advances in A.I./machine learning will result in a loyal, obedient slave will be in for a rude awakening.

Might take 100 years, might take 1 but inevitably, they will most likely experience buyer's remorse.
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