Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:32 AM
 
4,369 posts, read 3,726,103 times
Reputation: 2479

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
just look at manhattan . despite all the predictions about sustainability our co-ops continue to rise in price and buyers come from all over to buy .
Manhattan is a small island. The us is an entire country with casts swaths of unbuilt land.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:33 AM
 
106,725 posts, read 108,937,910 times
Reputation: 80213
does not matter where we talk . it is all about why people want to live somewhere , not rates . if people want to live some place they will come .

again , find an accredited study that shows home prices ALWAYS fall when rates rise . you can't because that is false
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:37 AM
 
4,369 posts, read 3,726,103 times
Reputation: 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
does not matter where we talk . it is all about why people want to live somewhere , not rates . if people want to live some place they will come .

again , find an accredited study that shows home prices ALWAYS fall when rates rise . you can't because that is false
Early 1980s during volcker
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:43 AM
 
106,725 posts, read 108,937,910 times
Reputation: 80213
i said " moderate rises " the excessively high 1970's and early 80's were the only exception and in fact stocks , bonds and real estate all did poorly then . .

there have been very few exceptions where rates rise and home prices fall just because of a rise in rates . that concept as some rule is flat out WRONG !
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:44 AM
 
4,369 posts, read 3,726,103 times
Reputation: 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
i said " moderate rises " the excessively high 1970's and early 80's were the only exception and in fact stocks , bonds and real estate all did poorly then . .

there have been few exceptions to rates rising and home prices falling .
2006-7 when the fed was raising the rates before the financial crisis
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:47 AM
 
106,725 posts, read 108,937,910 times
Reputation: 80213
wrong , . the fed was raising short term rates but investors were bidding longer term bond rates down . fixed mortages are based on bond rates . we had the famous inverted yield curve in 2007 as bond investors bid long term rates lower than short term rates . the bond market veered course with the fed and lowered rate while the fed raised them . . mortgages were going down not up .
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:53 AM
 
4,369 posts, read 3,726,103 times
Reputation: 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
wrong , . the fed was raising short term rates but investors were bidding longer term bond rates down . fixed mortages are based on bond rates . we had the famous inverted yield curve in 2007 as bond investors bid long term rates lower than short term rates . the bond market veered course with the fed and lowered rates .
Unless people start taking third person mortgages I can't see prices go much higher outside of inflation
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:55 AM
 
106,725 posts, read 108,937,910 times
Reputation: 80213
it really does not matter what you see happening . all that matters is that if someone thinks because mortgages are kicking up prices will fall they are likely to be quite mistaken and history shows that fact .

everyone always thinks bonds move opposite stocks when black swans hit . we saw bonds not react the night of the election while stocks plunged almost 1000 points .

when you use words like always or will , odds are you will be wrong .
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:57 AM
 
4,369 posts, read 3,726,103 times
Reputation: 2479
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
it really does not matter what you see happening . all that matters is that if someone thinks because mortgages are kicking up prices will fall they are likely to be quite mistaken and history shows that fact .
This housing recovery is getting long in the tooth. I guess we'll have to see. It's been 5 years now. Nonetheless I'll continue to save part of my income and be ready to strike
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-24-2016, 07:58 AM
 
106,725 posts, read 108,937,910 times
Reputation: 80213
long in the tooth only in certain areas . other areas are down or about the same . again , it is localized . if certain areas fall a lot you can be sure there are other factors involved not just rates .

where we are in queens prices never really went up a lot outside of manhattan so when they fell we did not see a big drop either . recovery has been slow at best but basically we don't have a hot market today ..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:28 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top