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Old 01-24-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Why in the world would we have universal daycare?
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It’s a civilized thing to do to provide universls daycare for children?
Yes, it is. That way parents don't have to choose between working OR having care for their children, when the cost of daycare cancels out their salary. It's a sad reality for many parents these days, especially single parents, and "universal" (or at least AFFORDABLE) daycare is a civilized solution to that. But then, the same folks who'd complain about this would also complain if that parent stayed home, then had to collect WIC/SNAP/etc to cover expenses since they're not working. 'Murica!!
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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No, it's a civilized thing to do to provide a system of safe, affordable daycare for working parents. As most civilized countries do.

But we're all wearing MY GUNS PROTECTED BY DARWIN t-shirts here.
Tried to rep you, but I have to spread the love first.

Gotta love our country, where guns and fetuses are more protected than living humans/children. Not to get political, but I'd say our priorities are all out of whack - and I'm not just referring to one side of the fence, either, since it happens on both ends (just with different subjects). Examples: Don't work, you're a bum. Work and put your kid in daycare, you're a bad parent. Have an abortion, you're going to Hell. Have the child despite not being able to afford it, you're a selfish hussy. Can't win here, unless you happen to be in the 1%.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:08 PM
 
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No. Prices are high in high COL regions because the supply of housing in towns with good school systems commutable to the job centers is very scarce. People pay an enormous premium to live there. If you're willing to live in a war zone with a failed school system, you can find relatively inexpensive housing near those job centers. The same is true for the trendy urban areas. There is a limited amount of trendy in most cities. Most places, you can find something for pennies on the dollar a few miles away but you'll have to put bars on the windows and you're not going to have trendy places to walk to
I disagree that the inexpensive areas are war zones needing gated windows. But you are spot on that people will pay a premium for the trendy neighborhood. I wonder if they ever calculate how many uber rides that extra rent would buy.

Schools is the biggie. Some cities have magnet schools but parents may be nervous about facing a lottery. I've seen kids graduate from low ranked schools go on to great things but they have parents who are very involved. Plus you can't tell at age 3 if the kid will develop good diplomacy and be able to avoid bad influences. I have wondered about the strategy to buy a low cost house then rent in a better school district if the need arises. Bingo: you have a paid for house when the nest is empty.

This won't work in cities like Nashville and Portland where everything is expensive.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:31 AM
 
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Because it's a civilized thing to do. Which explains why the US doesn't have it.
Everyone to have their kids raised by strangers. What a delightful idea
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Old 01-25-2018, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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I'm 36 with no kids and my total "wealth" is about 550K. Funny thing is, I'm not a homeowner. It's all in investments. I think the idea of a home being a key wealth generator is uniquely American. And probably what got us in, at least in large part, to the subprime housing crisis of 2007-8.
It is even more so in Australia and I am fairly sure in New Zealand and also the UK and Canada. So perhaps an Anglo thing but then home ownership rates in Italy are high too. And many other countries.
The subprime crisis was, I thought, more about uncontrolled lending than property being a wealth generator. Our mortgages are a lot more restrictive and we did not have a recession.
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Old 01-25-2018, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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It is even more so in Australia and I am fairly sure in New Zealand and also the UK and Canada. So perhaps an Anglo thing but then home ownership rates in Italy are high too. And many other countries.
The subprime crisis was, I thought, more about uncontrolled lending than property being a wealth generator. Our mortgages are a lot more restrictive and we did not have a recession.
Yep, the Aussie average house price is more than double the US average even after converting to USD. Australia has been unique in that they haven't had a recession in decades and it's kept the housing market stable and rising steadily. However, if you had a serious economic downturn in Oz, that huge housing bubble is going to pop big time.


Right what caused the financial crisis was lending large amounts to people that shouldn't have qualified and then when prices fell and people started losing jobs, all hell broke out.


I've worked all over the world for the last 15 years and I think Americans think about their house as a wealth generator less then most countries with the exception of places like Silicon Valley, SF, and Seattle that have had huge jumps.


I don't think of my house I live in as a wealth generator but I do think of my 4 rental houses that way because that's all they are to provide income and generate wealth.
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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Tried to rep you, but I have to spread the love first.

Gotta love our country, where guns and fetuses are more protected than living humans/children. Not to get political, but I'd say our priorities are all out of whack - and I'm not just referring to one side of the fence, either, since it happens on both ends (just with different subjects). Examples: Don't work, you're a bum. Work and put your kid in daycare, you're a bad parent. Have an abortion, you're going to Hell. Have the child despite not being able to afford it, you're a selfish hussy. Can't win here, unless you happen to be in the 1%.
Had to rep this!
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Everyone to have their kids raised by strangers. What a delightful idea
No one said anything of the kind.
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Old 01-25-2018, 02:05 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Everyone to have their kids raised by strangers. What a delightful idea
Sending your kid to daycare while you work isn't having them "raised by strangers." It's no different from sending them to school 5 days/week - just what you do before they're old enough for full-time school. And some folks don't have the luxury of staying home for 5-6 years until then, nor do they have family members or friends who can babysit 40 hours/week for free. Welcome to the real world, buddy.

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Old 01-25-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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many of these day cares today are amazing and the kids learn so much more as well as get far better social environment skills .

when i was a parent we wouldn't think of putting our kids in day care but then again they were nothing like they are today .

all 5 of our grand kids were communicating via sign language they learned in day care before they were even 1 year old and could speak .

spending a few hours 5 days a week in a good day care setting has so many plus's to it . the kids have all kinds of experiences we could not give them at home as well as the social aspect of it . there are Montessori day cares where the little ones are already learning things they would in preschool but far younger .

only negative we have seen is they tend to get sick more being around the other children but i highly recommend these better day cares today and that is a big change of hats for us .
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