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I am just pointing out the hopelessness of generational lack of ability.
No solution at hand.
On the contrary... there a LOT of possible solutions at hand.
The first problem is no one wants to face responsibility for that population being there.
Either as the parents who did poorly by them...
or as supporters of public policies that actually encouraged those parents to produce them.
Policies btw which still exist and are currently being made even stronger.
Doubly stupid.
The second problem is organizing and allocating the costs of the public support that this
population has always needed, mostly always received and will always need ever more of.
Or more to the point... RE-allocating the monies we're already spending but very poorly.
On the contrary... there a LOT of possible solutions at hand.
You go on to list... two.
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The second problem is organizing and allocating the costs of the public support that this
population has always needed, mostly always received and will always need ever more of.
Or more to the point... RE-allocating the monies we're already spending but very poorly.
That's exactly right.
However, no amount of rearranging the deck chairs on that Titanic will change anything, and that's all that's ever really proposed. When I said "no solutions," I meant within the framework that will only try what was supposed to work yesterday, but with... um... computers! or Big Data! or a new kind of subsidy! or completely rewritten schoolbooks! or workfare! or...
The only solution involves changes so radical that they can barely even be discussed, much less implemented. Changes which, however, have proven successful in those other countries we admire so gosh-darned much but don't want to become.
When I said "no solutions," I meant within the framework that will only try what was supposed to work yesterday
... The only solution involves changes so radical that they can barely even be discussed...
I choose to believe there's an achievable middle ground range of solution models.
No dystopian nightmares required.
But I do agree that implementing them would still require revolutionary thinking.
And a fair bit of courage and honesty. Still achievable.
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Yesterday OWS made a post LINK about relocating large population segments from overburdened cities
to some of the many low cost areas suffering decline and population loss. These places are never going to be
the source of income these people need but they have quite viable civil infrastructure and empty real estate.
In PM I critiqued the idea some but agreed she was on the right path toward workable solutions.
I choose to believe there's an achievable middle ground range of solution models.
No dystopian nightmares required.
But I do agree that implementing them would still require revolutionary thinking.
And a fair bit of courage and honesty. Still achievable.
Same page, slightly different lighting.
Put another way, "We can fix this... but not while staring into our navel." (That's the polite form.)
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Yesterday OWS made a post LINK about relocating large population segments from overburdened cities to some of the many low cost areas suffering decline and population loss.
I choose to believe there's an achievable middle ground range of solution models.
No dystopian nightmares required.
But I do agree that implementing them would still require revolutionary thinking.
And a fair bit of courage and honesty. Still achievable.
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Yesterday OWS made a post LINK about relocating large population segments from overburdened cities
to some of the many low cost areas suffering decline and population loss. These places are never going to be
the source of income these people need but they have quite viable civil infrastructure and empty real estate.
In PM I critiqued the idea some but agreed she was on the right path toward workable solutions.
Yeah, Auschwitz and Dachau are totally empty.
At the moment, we have the Republican faux Libertarian "let them starve" approach and the Democrat limited welfare state approach.
I think the real problem is that the safety net is administered locally so the poor are not mobile. The poor people locked into Medicaid/CHIP kid Medicaid, SNAP, HUD housing vouchers, TANF, and the rest of the safety net programs can't move to places with better economic opportunity because they'll lose the safety net.
I think the real problem is that the safety net is administered locally so the poor are not mobile. The poor people locked into Medicaid/CHIP kid Medicaid, SNAP, HUD housing vouchers, TANF, and the rest of the safety net programs can't move to places with better economic opportunity because they'll lose the safety net.
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That's a great observation.
Yet another example of 'states rights' arguments getting in the way of needed progress.
So... just shipping people around like cattle is the solution? If they won't pack up the family and move to NorTaKota for oil-field jobs, they can starve?
Not a word I use very often, but that's positively fascist. And off-the-scale classist - they're just worthless anyway, so if we gotta feed 'em, let's make 'em move where we want them.
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Changing that your vs mine approach is an example of the revolutionary change in thinking required.
I'd agree with the bare bones of this, but I suspect your interpretation is somewhat different. Exactly what "your v mine" are you describing, here?
You can do better than that. There's no "just..." anything in any of these ideas.
Contribute or don't, extend constructively or don't... but enough with the cheap pot shots.
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Not a word I use very often, but that's positively fascist.
And we're off to the dystopian races.
Some can't seem to avoid those conclusions.
Try harder.
You can do better than that. There's no "just..." anything in any of these ideas.
Contribute or don't, extend constructively or don't... but enough with the cheap pot shots.
Right. You think the poor should be relocated to "cure" their economic ills. No 'just' there at all.
If it's pot shot to say that's clueless, classist and positively inhumane... hold still while I aim.
It is. Potshot on top of a strawman if you want to be really accurate.
I suppose we could say Ad Hominem too what with the fascist charge .
So rather than critiquing what you (inaccurately) believe I think...
how about offering up something that YOU think could be part of
"an achievable middle ground range of solution models"
(which I did actually say and you credited me for giving two examples of) ??
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