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Again, no one is buying what you are selling. Most in your position would have come to that conclusion many pages ago.
lol, because just like "miracle" wrinkle creams what he/she is selling doesn't work. When your best example of a economic system is Mexican machine gun toting, face shield wearing commandoes, it's actually a pretty hysterical claim that we should all abandoned capitalism.
Again, no one is buying what you are selling. Most in your position would have come to that conclusion many pages ago.
lol....I had to skip ahead 5 pages so I didn't waste my time reading his drivel. Poor kid should just get a decent job so he can afford to move like the rich people do.
I don't, I think companies should be worker run democratically since they are the ones who keep the company operating, not the ones who manage the capital.
No. Someone posted an excellent review of my company that addressed this very issue. They work you like a dog and pay peanuts. Revenue is directly related to the staff output. There has been a mass exodus of folks and revenue dropped considerably.
Leadership is important but without the worker bees, the company will fold.
lol, because just like "miracle" wrinkle creams what he/she is selling doesn't work. When your best example of a economic system is Mexican machine gun toting, face shield wearing commandoes, it's actually a pretty hysterical claim that we should all abandoned capitalism.
That’s probably because of the lack of perception many people had.
I think you read this thread, so I’d expect you’d know more than that.
The Zapatistas are not some militia group, especially not anymore. They defend their territory but more and more they are entering national politics, they’ve started their own party, and their society is rapidly improving after having been left in the dust due to corporate investment in the north.
And here we come to the primary problem with corporate rule that you support so strongly, when you give capital control to a select group of people the creation of wealth is limited to where they can exploit the workers most efficiently, not in production value.
Now if you gave each community control of their own relative power, then you will find structures organized horizontally instead of top down allowing for capital investment to be distributed based on production acclimated to the needs of each community.
And this is no ‘miracle’. The truth is that it exists all around us, like I said before. Electric cooperatives handle more than half of the US landmass, while credit union banks function for almost half of the entire country. These are immense numbers and are reflective not only on their importantance to our economy, but also the affects it has on fixing what state capitalism has left behind.
If you look at evergreen, a major reason it formed was not for some ideological reason, but because the community needed to create wealth for themselves where the private and state industry had abandoned them. When workers are given control of their own labor and output is not exploited for personal profit, but utilized for the will of the majority, then you have a more democratic and free system. It worked in Catalonia but was destroyed by state forces, it worked in Ukraine, it worked in Manchuria, but the fascists, communists, and Japanese forces destroyed them all. Because people aren’t allowed to be free.
Our system of corporate rule is similar to all those that came before, giving some people an immense amount of power they can’t project with their own abilities to control others.
That’s probably because of the lack of perception many people had.
I think you read this thread, so I’d expect you’d know more than that.
The Zapatistas are not some militia group, especially not anymore. They defend their territory but more and more they are entering national politics, they’ve started their own party, and their society is rapidly improving after having been left in the dust due to corporate investment in the north.
And here we come to the primary problem with corporate rule that you support so strongly, when you give capital control to a select group of people the creation of wealth is limited to where they can exploit the workers most efficiently, not in production value.
Now if you gave each community control of their own relative power, then you will find structures organized horizontally instead of top down allowing for capital investment to be distributed based on production acclimated to the needs of each community.
And this is no ‘miracle’. The truth is that it exists all around us, like I said before. Electric cooperatives handle more than half of the US landmass, while credit union banks function for almost half of the entire country. These are immense numbers and are reflective not only on their importantance to our economy, but also the affects it has on fixing what state capitalism has left behind.
If you look at evergreen, a major reason it formed was not for some ideological reason, but because the community needed to create wealth for themselves where the private and state industry had abandoned them. When workers are given control of their own labor and output is not exploited for personal profit, but utilized for the will of the majority, then you have a more democratic and free system. It worked in Catalonia but was destroyed by state forces, it worked in Ukraine, it worked in Manchuria, but the fascists, communists, and Japanese forces destroyed them all. Because people aren’t allowed to be free.
Our system of corporate rule is similar to all those that came before, giving some people an immense amount of power they can’t project with their own abilities to control others.
Shouldn't you be working saving up your money for this ill-conceived plan instead of wasting your time on this forum.
The capital is being provided at the risk that it may never come back at all...or it has risk of being put into an under performing asset that could have been invested better elsewhere (opportunity cost).
The privileged ones get a taxpayer bailout, others not so much
Shouldn't you be working saving up your money for this ill-conceived plan instead of wasting your time on this forum.
No.
I hope I am creating curiosity in people to look outside of the system they’ve been sold as logical and beyond criticism.
In the meantime it does bring joy to me as I talk about real socialism and companionship to others both on this forum and real life.
The reason many on this thread resort to replies like yours is because they know that what I’m saying is not only logical but based on common sense. It is easy to fear good in life, in worry that it would require too much responsibility, but humanity, and this country specifically, has the ability to overcome institutional flaws and wrong doings.
Imperialism, poverty, pollution, these are all factors of the same power structure, and being as I explained before, this power structure is not derived from itself, the great responsibility of changing this country for the greater falls on us. It is much more comforting to think the people in charge are always right and we must trust them, but to put real effort and will into overcoming these institutions takes initiative.
The elite class (including the media) obviously doesn’t want change because that would mean they’d lose their power, they could also face sanctions for war crimes; nonetheless the truth is still apparent in the facts.
The light will wash away the darkness, kindness can be the basis of survival as it always was, and the acts of everyday individuals will affect the course of society, not the greed of a few individuals. Nature will prosper once more, excess poverty will become that of legend which parents will tell their children of a far gone time, military and imperial power would no longer be the tools of those who wish to sow chaos, and the great philosophies of Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, and all the great religions will create a society of mutual aid operated by free will and companionship. This is the true nature of human beings;
All you have to do is read Mutual Aid:A Factor of evolution to understand this. We are capable of great things, but only if we allow facts and reason to guide our actions, not group think (that is what sustains state capitalism).
Comrade, we are all in this together, let freedom and prosperity, scientific advancement, and a cultural renaissance (no longer stifled by Hollywood monopolies or IP laws and for for profit incentives) begin. Small scale changes is what brings about revolution, not bloody war.
i cant believe there are people that are actually responding to this person. there is no rational thought behind his position no matter how much he writes and tries to appear thoughtful.
You can’t be serious, executives, shareholders, and the board all control the total output of the workers, there is no even relationship there. And when you include the total value of the company beyond just salaries and bonuses you see that the commodization of labor doesn’t develop the results of equal pay based on production value.
The entire premise of capitalism is a failing but you don’t care about any of that, you don’t want to face this discussion so you arrogantly agree with a single post that confirms your own biases and radical misunderstandings.
If capitalism was a failure, and your proposed "system" was superior, you wouldn't have to work this hard to convince people of that.
I hope I am creating curiosity in people to look outside of the system they’ve been sold as logical and beyond criticism.
In the meantime it does bring joy to me as I talk about real socialism and companionship to others both on this forum and real life.
The reason many on this thread resort to replies like yours is because they know that what I’m saying is not only logical but based on common sense. It is easy to fear good in life, in worry that it would require too much responsibility, but humanity, and this country specifically, has the ability to overcome institutional flaws and wrong doings.
Imperialism, poverty, pollution, these are all factors of the same power structure, and being as I explained before, this power structure is not derived from itself, the great responsibility of changing this country for the greater falls on us. It is much more comforting to think the people in charge are always right and we must trust them, but to put real effort and will into overcoming these institutions takes initiative.
The elite class (including the media) obviously doesn’t want change because that would mean they’d lose their power, they could also face sanctions for war crimes; nonetheless the truth is still apparent in the facts.
The light will wash away the darkness, kindness can be the basis of survival as it always was, and the acts of everyday individuals will affect the course of society, not the greed of a few individuals. Nature will prosper once more, excess poverty will become that of legend which parents will tell their children of a far gone time, military and imperial power would no longer be the tools of those who wish to sow chaos, and the great philosophies of Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, and all the great religions will create a society of mutual aid operated by free will and companionship. This is the true nature of human beings;
All you have to do is read Mutual Aid:A Factor of evolution to understand this. We are capable of great things, but only if we allow facts and reason to guide our actions, not group think (that is what sustains state capitalism).
Comrade, we are all in this together, let freedom and prosperity, scientific advancement, and a cultural renaissance (no longer stifled by Hollywood monopolies or IP laws and for for profit incentives) begin. Small scale changes is what brings about revolution, not bloody war.
I'm not in this with you. What you need to do is put others behind you and get a real job.
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